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I don't care what race the Shipmans are, nor do I care that they own so much land. The problems start when any landowner is large enough to limit the options of others. DHHL beneficiaries do it too.
Meanwhile, all of lower Puna -- fastest-growing district in the state -- has one lane in and one lane out, and almost zero local commerce, requiring that most people drive (on that one and only road) for everything. Despite studies and plans going back decades, no progress is being made, but somehow County keeps issuing building permits and collecting property taxes.
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Wat? U tink I racist, idjit? What yu mean bra? I live here long time kine. Try b mo betta ohana kapua. Me hapa kine but not mean i mean.
Thanks for the compliment.
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02-22-2022, 08:38 PM
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And for some more recent Shipman history...
I worked with a couple hundred other Puna residents on the Puna Community Development Plan (PCDP). In this effort I was chair of the Land Use Working Group. Bill Walter (then CEO of Shipman) worked closely with me on this group over several months. I appreciated working with him.
At the conclusion of the community work on the PCDP the plan was submitted to County Council for approval. There was resistance from the council to pass the PCDP as written by the community. Clear reasons for the resistance were not given. Despite that resistance, with vocal support from the community at large, the PCDP was approved by council and was the first CDP to be so passed.
A few months later we found out that the source of the resistance to the PCDP was Shipman. Bill Walter wanted changes made to the plan. To that end he enlisted Councilman J. Yoshimoto to submit 19 amendments to the PCDP to council. These 19 amendments were submitted en masse. I and other members of the community lobbied council to at least separate the 19 amendments so they could be considered and debated individually. That was denied. The amendments passed en masse. These 19 amendments were the work of Bill Walter, as CEO of the district's largest landowner, claiming a right to edit the communities efforts to Shipman's preferences. Shipman succeeded in over riding the efforts of several thousand local residents who participated in the PCDP's preparation.
With that result I concluded that the Plantation Era had not yet ended. Within our County Council such community efforts were subject to a one acre/one vote standard in lieu of one man/one vote.
And so it goes.
Land and Power in Hawaii
Mahalo.
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one acre/one vote standard
So ... not racist, then?
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02-22-2022, 09:46 PM
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It's always been rich vs poor, race is just a distraction for the plebs. I'm glad my land was purchased outright, no one can say it was "stolen".
You'd think of it were one acre/vote, they would tax all those acres equally...
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Oh yeah, the property taxes Shipman pays is another story.
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the property taxes Shipman pays
Their tax assessment is probably grandfathered in at the 1.5 cents per acre they paid for the land.
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Olohana... I always enjoy your history lessons but this time you decided to devolve into baseless name calling as a preface.
Having Land & the resulting Power has nothing to do with race and the fact that your mind went there is a disappointment.
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(02-22-2022, 06:28 PM)Olohana 1790 Wrote: last 2 comments made by racist idiots who are 100% clueless... aloha
Welcome back bananahead.
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