07-15-2008, 05:32 AM
Does anyone have any information on steel buildings, like a large double garage size for use when building, and later a garage and workshop.
Gordon J Tilley
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07-17-2008, 09:21 AM
Several of the kits from Kodiak Steel have been built on the Big Island, including a double garage package (first link, following) up on the hill above 130 in Orchidland. http://www.kodiaksteelhomes.com/models/s...seriesid=9 http://www.kodiaksteelhomes.com/models/s...eriesid=30 If you want to know more about building these kits in Puna or to see some examples (finished or in construction) then I'd recommend contacting Kelleen Hara at Accent Design Services. http://www.accentdesignservices.com/
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07-17-2008, 11:09 AM
Thanks Stephen, but the quickest I've heard of is 10-12 weeks to get it here, at mean shipping rates.
Gordon J Tilley
07-17-2008, 01:18 PM
I acquired a US Steel building from a friend. It is their "A" model, not a pure arch but close, with rolled and fluted sheet steel sections. I have a long term plan to put a living structure up on my place in Eden Roc and I have more or less settled on using the steel structure for that. Of course, the manufacturer says lots of people do this, permitting is no problem, and they do have pictures on their website of these structures with doors, windows, potted plants, etc. I am just beginning the design/permitting process, looking for an engineer to get me through the building department. The fallback design will be a simple slab on grade with all the doors and windows in the ends, but I am trying to determine if I can build a concrete block first floor with the arches making up the second floor/attic/roof structure.
So far people react with the question of why I am going to so much trouble when I could just build an HPM kit, and why this fixation with concrete and steel? First, I already have the structure. Second, I hate the thought of building something that will get munched by termites or blown down in a high wind. Also, aside from site prep and pouring the slab, the weathertight shell would go up almost overnight. Sounds like I am trying to convince myself. I do feel self concious when I describe the project to others. I don't know why because I think it will result in a perfectly liveable and functional structure, although not pretty in the classic sense. I guess it would look like a barn. I don't know anything about other models such as those by Kodiak Steel.
07-17-2008, 01:27 PM
OK, checked the links. So the Kodiak structures look like real houses. I hope mine will at least be cheap.
07-17-2008, 01:32 PM
Mark, what are you going to call your structure in the plot and plan procurement stage? Ones I've been looking at include stamped plans, including for Hawaii, and walked through for me. Mine will be an AG storage and workshop.
Gordon J Tilley
07-17-2008, 01:38 PM
I was hoping to finish mine as an actual residential home but I confess I have gone into this backwards, starting with a typically non-residential structure and trying to adapt it. I'm sure that raises the bar in terms of permitting. Mine came with stamped drawings for the basic structure.
07-17-2008, 02:05 PM
Not to pick, but are the plans stamped for Hawaii? (Puna). You ought to find out, bribe an engineer ad draftsman and level with him your house finishing ideas. It would be easier to beef up now to spec than after built. Bbuild as a barn, and change later.
Gordon J Tilley
07-17-2008, 03:25 PM
The manufacturer has sold structures in Hawaii before, claimes their stamp is good here. What I am unclear about is all the details to make it a house, for example the details of the end walls, doors, windows, plumbing, etc. I did stop in at the building department and asked a few questions. I didn't totally get to the bottom of things but came away somewhat reassured, although understanding that I must deal with an engineer here.
I assume that the first place to start is with a site plan. I am still mulling over where to put things like the cesspool. Can I just whip something up by hand so I have something to show whoever I am talking to? One structural engineer said he would only be interested if I got a draftsman to do drawings properly because otherwise it means a lot more work for him. In talking to the US Buildings people they assured me that I would be able to get done what I needed to get done with the drawings they were sending. However, is it in fact the case that if you buy a full on kit that the building manufacturer would have supplied a complete set of drawings needing no further additions? I got the building second hand and kind of made a deal with them to get updated drawings. I looked at the structure as only a shell, assuming that I would need to pull other facets of the design together locally. They did not let on that there were other ways to go about things.
08-04-2008, 07:46 PM
I had somehow gotten the impression that I had only one shot at it, that if I called it an ag storage building I would not be able to build a real house later. I now understand that this is not true. The storage building route would definitely be the best way to go to get started, then build a more conventional house later. Gtill, where will you be building and have you lined up an engineer/architect yet?
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