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(10-07-2024, 05:07 PM)HiloJulie Wrote: “At the Board of Appeals, they said that the director, Pause had been right in canceling all my permits, because my permits had been issued in error,” he explained.
A sad story, but it's not just Hawaii where this has happened. If the permit was initially issued in error, you're essentially fawked.
I suspect he'd be OK and left alone living in the place as an unpermitted dwelling, except for the issue of it being located in a "shoreline management area". That sounds quite problematic.
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Kalakoa asked:
"Why do people build without permits?"
My take on that answer is that the sorts of structures the people want to build would not *be* permittable, that is, too small, completely off-grid, with composting or incinerating toilets and gray water systems.
That simply isn't allowed!
Must have ridiculously expensive, over-engineered, unnecessary commercial utilities, and ginormously large houses that people can't afford, right? And then question why there is a housing "crisis"/shortage...
Even the smallest pre-permitted homes or plans available on all the standard sites (HPM, Honsador, Argus) are far larger than what some people want or need (or can afford), not to mention can only use "standard" utilities (expensive HellCo power drops, septic tanks, etc.). 450-500sqft is still over twice as large as what many people would be comfortable living in. Hence the popularity of tiny houses...
...I always root for the underdog! (And also tilt at windmills).
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10-07-2024, 08:11 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-07-2024, 08:13 PM by leilanidude.)
That should show you the tiny little house from as close as Google street view can get you to it.
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(10-07-2024, 07:21 PM)Durian Fiend Wrote: (10-07-2024, 05:07 PM)HiloJulie Wrote: “At the Board of Appeals, they said that the director, Pause had been right in canceling all my permits, because my permits had been issued in error,” he explained.
A sad story, but it's not just Hawaii where this has happened. If the permit was initially issued in error, you're essentially fawked.
I suspect he'd be OK and left alone living in the place as an unpermitted dwelling, except for the issue of it being located in a "shoreline management area". That sounds quite problematic.
But then, the County becomes 100% liable for all costs incurred by all parties involved that are expended from the time of issuance until it’s determined that the permit was issued in error.
If I were this guy, I’d sue the county for at least 2 million!
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"That should show you the tiny little house from as close as Google street view can get you to it."
None of the houses on that street will pass the current codes. Tofu blocks have been illegal for a long time.
The guy needs to get a SMA permit 1st and then the house needs to be raised up on concrete piers, then brought up to the current code.
Cheapest thing to do would be move it to Kalapana Estates where it would be ignored a long with all the other unpermitted homes. He could then sell his lot and recoup his moving expenses.
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I looked up the address in the article online, 88-129 Kai Ave in the Milolii Beach Lots and it looked nothing like that. It's much bigger than 332 sqft, but the dates all match up. Weird.
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This is what I found:
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhom...7288999071
Still not that little "tofu block" (thanx, Obie!) that Leilanidude posted the street view link...
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(10-08-2024, 01:12 AM)punikahakaiferret Wrote: This is what I found:
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhom...7288999071
Still not that little "tofu block" (thanx, Obie!) that Leilanidude posted the street view link...
Given your interest in construction, Obie means the foundation blocks. Burn on fiery ferret!
I wish you all the best.
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Not wishing to post in haste, I had to think over my reaction after seeing the photos of the permitted (or unpermitted, or not finaled) house in Milolii, link in my previous post.
The County, in this case, may have a point. What’s left to be remodeled, really? It’s a few 2x4’s, 4x8 sheets, and metal roofing exposed to the salt for years.
