*This Post Is About HPP* Waikahekahe, WATUMULL'S, Owners/Members Meeting 10/27/2024

[Punatang]

The moral of the story seems to be:

a) Live where you can have your mailbox, for free, in front of your house where it belongs.

b) Avoid HOAs like the plague.

Mahalo to everyone for these revelations.

[Obie]

"A PMB also can't be used when dealing with any entity encumbered by ITAR"

You're involved in shipping military weapons and missiles to foreign countries ?

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

your mailbox, for free,

At present I view the mailbox “park” on Kaloli & 4th like the South Pacific cargo cults after WWII. They built airplane shaped models out of coconut tress etc on the beach, hoping it would attract real aircraft filled with cargo that would drop from the sky.

[Patricia]

I'm happy with the solution they came up with. It's a shame that the money our neighbors have paid in good faith is now being used to fight lawsuits.

Aloha Chas,


It is a shame that HPP Owners, who paid their Road Maintenance Fee bills in good faith (money of which ALL is supposed to be used for roads) are seeing it spent on non-road projects. 

Do you, or does any HPP Owner, actually have any idea how much has been spent on the mailbox project? How much has been spent on construction? Parcel lockers? (One unit of 4 parcel lockers is $3,000- just think how many parcel lockers HPP will need). How about administrative costs? Office workers preparing "key envelopes" and more. And then there are banners, "announcing" the "distribution of keys and assignment of boxes." And let's not forget the continued maintenance and repair of those boxes, because HPPOA agreed to take all of that on. 

Some on this board, pointing fingers and NAMING Owners who they want others to believe are "shamefully wasting" HPP Owner road fee money on lawsuits are deflecting. Because the truth is, it is some on this board who are responsible for all the waste. The board KNEW of the deed restrictions. The board KNEW what the deeds state- that if the deed restrictions are broken ANY HPP Owner may bring a lawsuit against the Association. But the board went ahead, shoved their mailbox plan through without any input from owners or release from the Watumulls (who only NOW, HPPOA bothered to seriously contact and brought into the current lawsuit as a 3rd party). 

Do not blame or "shame" Owners who are paying what they are required to pay, road fee money, but are not getting what they are paying for. Some on the HPPOA board have acted in bad faith. Blaming and shaming Owners for exerting their rights is misguided.

[Chas]

I do know and I think it was a good and appropriate use of the money. Again, too bad it will cost even more due to some people who didn't get their way.

BTW, you can stop trying to "educate" me. I am all for the mailboxes whatever the cost is. I also feel like it was the right thing to do.

[Patricia]

I do know and I think it was a good and appropriate use of the money. Again, too bad it will cost even more due to some people who didn't get their way.

BTW, you can stop trying to "educate" me. I am all for the mailboxes whatever the cost is. I also feel like it was the right thing to do.

Aloha Chas,

If you know, then you would know why it is wrong to use money that is billed specifically for road maintenance fees. A contract has nothing to do with what we "think" or want outside of the contract agreement. And if the board does not understand how contracts work, then they need an education. 

Owners who are exerting their rights, are not doing so because they did "not get their way." They are suing because if all else fails, as in trying to negotiate with HPPOA to adhere to the deed restrictions as they PROMISED, there are deed clauses that state owners can sue for enforcement.

Blame/shame the board for not following procedures and adhering to rule and law.

[kalakoa]

Blame/shame the board for not following procedures and adhering to rule and law.

Did anyone ask the actual "HPP Owners, who paid their Road Maintenance Fee bills in good faith" whether they would rather "have mailboxes" or "be right"?

Or is there a fear of long-term precedent, eg, give them a mailbox and they'll take the whole subdivision?

At least people have nice roads for the commute to wherever they receive their mail.

I can hardly wait for the PMAR "study" to get under way. Providing connectivity for other subdivisions is surely outside the scope of the HPPOA Road Regime. Same for access to the proposed Park.

[Chas]

Well said Kalakoa. But I guess I'll always be "wrong"...

[kalakoa]

Almost forgot: will the lawsuits cost more than the mailboxes? Time will tell.

[Moderator 2]

Almost forgot: will the lawsuits cost more than the mailboxes?

And after the expensive lawsuits, will we still end up using the mailboxes that are being installed?