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Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs
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6 hours ago
"Where is that written?"
Read old minutes. Old bylaws (especially those where road referring to the road maintenance committee). Old conch. It's all documented. 
6 hours ago
(6 hours ago)Patricia Wrote: "Where is that written?" It should be in the bylaws or a policy, not just in minutes and the Conch. Unfortunately, it is making up what you want it to be. Road fees are also for “safety”, just like speed measures, signage, etc. we can’t have it only the way some people define it. Play like I’m from Missouri. Show me please.
KP
“When your hate is louder than your love, your words have no meaning!” 
5 hours ago
If its on the road, or on the road-side, ITS ROAD.”
… it’s all documented. Does it state how far off the roadside? An argument could be made that the 1 acre mailbox parks are connected to the road and are on the roadside. The existing mailboxes extend more than the 6 or 8 foot road setbacks.
"HPPOA is complicated. They are a voluntary community association that collects mandatory road maintenance fees."
It's not complicated and Patricia is 100% wrong on this ! It's still in our bylaws and is a leftover part from the 1960's or 70's. There is a mention of voluntary members. That mention is there because at one time there was a plan to build a golf course on 17th Ave. You didn't need to be a property owner in HPP to join the golf club which included the use of our clubhouse which was going to have a bar. You could be a voluntary member and not pay road fees. Drive down 17th Ave and you find no golf course but it is fenced off because of Hawaiian burials. The bylaws are being rewritten to get all of the old non pertinent language out of the bylaws including the necessity to do multiple mailings each year at a cost of about $6000.00 per mailing. Everything can now be found on the HPPOA website. Patricia will now post that I am totally wrong but you have all experienced her strange way of thinking by now, so I hope you just please ignore her. Julie "So, I ask again, what does the controlling of speeders have to do with "road maintenance?" Speeders are destroying our substandard main roads. 
5 hours ago
"Speeders are destroying our substandard main roads."
Maybe they are just on their way to the Post Office in Pahoa or Keaau before it closes?
"Make Orwell Fiction Again"
"Patricia will now post that I am totally wrong but you have all experienced her strange way of thinking by now, so I hope you just please ignore her."
I will post that you are wrong, because you are, Obie. And just because some on this board think they can cover-up their misdeeds by changing the bylaws (in the most ridiculous and convoluted way imaginable) it isn't going to help them. "Does it state how far off the roadside? An argument could be made that the 1 acre mailbox parks are connected to the road and are on the roadside..." HPPOA land (the parcels) are private. They are not owned by HPP owners any more than HPPOA owns any piece of HPP owner land. So, you might want to be careful using that kind of logic, or pretty soon HPPOA will be telling owners what they can and cannot do with their own acreage because it is "connected" to the roads. "It should be in the bylaws or a policy, not just in minutes and the Conch..." KP, it's on the HPPOA website, in black and white. You should know that, since you put the website together- right? HPP is a private subdivision and receives no money from the State or County of Hawaii to maintain the common areas, including roads. The Hawaii State Supreme Court ruled that it is the responsibility of all lot owners to pay an annual road maintenance fee, the amount of which is to be determined by the Board of Directors. The fees are used for grading & material replacement on the lateral roads, the repair of the paved main roads, mowing & other types of vegetation control, sign repair and replacement, the removal of dead animals and rubbish left on the road sides, insurance & tree trimming.
4 hours ago
(5 hours ago)Patricia Wrote: KP, it's on the HPPOA website, in black and white. You should know that, since you put the website together- right?No, I did not “put the website together”. I fixed what was messed up and added a few areas to make it make more sense. Your negative tone towards me is showing and isn’t appreciated. I’m not a child and don’t deserve your condescending tone. I do not see where speed humps, bumps and tables are mentioned as a part of any of those acceptable items. As you have said to me before, we can make it (mailboxes on the roadsides) “fit” so we can use non road fees for roadside mailboxes. It appears we can make our own rules as long as you agree and we can massage it to “fit” what we want. The photo is what I found in our bylaws.
KP
“When your hate is louder than your love, your words have no meaning!”
4 hours ago
(This post was last modified: 4 hours ago by HereOnThePrimalEdge.)
HPPOA land (the parcels) are private. They are not owned by HPP owners any more than HPPOA owns any piece of HPP owner land.
So, you might want to be careful using that kind of logic The mailbox sites are private land? HPPOA put mailboxes on private land?
"The mailbox sites are private land? HPPOA put mailboxes on private land?"
The parcels are not "shared spaces." The parcels are owned by HPPOA (the corporation). HPP Owners have no vested interest in them. This is how HPPOA can place "no trespassing signs" to keep owners off of HPPOA property. And why they can charge HPP owners for use of the clubhouse. "I’m not a child and don’t deserve your condescending tone." KP, my comment was not meant to be condescending. |
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