Ohelo Restaurant in Volcano Closed

[terracore]

Their published instagram page summary says they require proof of vaccination and masks to dine there.

Maybe that has something to do with it?  Or the fact that they ever required "LET ME SEE YOUR PAPERS" to begin with? 

Not to mention that 99/100 people find that eating while wearing a mask over their face and mouth to be impossible.

Well, let’s be honest now. The picture posted IS NOT from the CURRENT Ohelo Café Published Instagram site. It is from an historical Google search. It’s also undated.

I went and looked at each of the 117 posts on Ohelo Café’s Instagram page and that post is no longer there.

Further, the Google link that mentions the masking requirements does not take you to the specific post, it just takes you to the main Instagram page.

Don’t take my word for it. Try it out yourself. See below:

Paybacks have only just begun.

So, then that what this all is? Payback? Funny, I thought it was supposed to be about conservative values and making America great. That was on full display in the Oval today, and just wait until the new tariffs kick in next Tuesday!

Oh the sweet “Schadenfreude!”

I don't use Google but yes, the thing I showed was the first return of an internet web search. I also don't use Instagram.

[Punatang]

The well known Punaweb trolls are at it again so I wanted to come back to this and clear the air.  They like to assign meaning and even emotions that they want me to have about this, none of which are true.  I said, specifically to Terracore, in a response specific to his post,  "paybacks have only just begun".  The trolls have run with this statement all over Punaweb lying, assigning meanings and even emotions to it that have nothing to do with me or my statement.  That's what trolls do.  We have one or two around here.  I've seen "schadenfreude", ""glee" etc. assigned to me.  I've been accused of being happy that the place closed.  None of this is remotely true but then neither is the majority of the propaganda they post. 

According to Terracore's post this restaurants' "neighbors" were discriminated against.  It matters not if you believe this discrimination was justified or not.  It may not have even happened at this particular restaurant.  I don't know.  I do know that when you discriminate against people for any reason, it leaves a very sour taste in their mouth and they are unlikely to patronize your establishment in the future.  When you burn bridges with customers, there is a "payback" for that.  I could have chosen a better word like "repercussion" or "consequence".  '

I'm not happy that they went out of business. I don't know why they went out of business.  I do know that many businesses made the business decision to discriminate against their neighbors and the paybacks (consequences, repercussions) for that have just begun. People have a long memory and they vote with their feet.  It's hard enough to make a business work without creating headwinds for yourself but it sounds like that may be what happened here.  

Any attempt to add emotions, or meanings, or insinuate that this has something to do with government or theories of any kind are lies.  But, we expect that from the liars.  It's what they do.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

According to Terracore's post this restaurants' "neighbors" were discriminated against.

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Where does he say that?

[Punatang]

According to Terracore's post this restaurants' "neighbors" were discriminated against.

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Where does he say that?

Their published instagram page summary says they require proof of vaccination and masks to dine there. - TC

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

The Their published instagram page summary

I believe it was clarified that the published image was not current, it was from years ago when that was the national requirement under Trump 1.  Every business at that time required masks, 6 foot distancing, and some a vaccination card.

This was posted at the entrance to Ohelo’s during the pandemic.  I haven’t seen it for years.  Using your logic to reach your conclusion, every business in Puna (and America) should also be closed at this time due to the mask & distance requirement.  Because Punatics (and Americans) would remember every  business that “discriminated” against them.  Which was all of them.

[Punatang]

Their published instagram page summary

I believe it was clarified that the published image was not current, it was from years ago when that was the national requirement under Trump 1.  Every business at that time required masks, 6 foot distancing, and some a vaccination card.

This was posted at the entrance to Ohelo’s during the pandemic.  I haven’t seen it for years.  Using your logic to reach your conclusion, every business in America should also be closed at this time due to the mask & distance requirement.  Because Americans would remember all those businesses “discriminated” against them.

You seem to just want to argue.  I do not but I will try to address your points logically.

1) This has nothing to do with when or where or who was president.  
2) If someone clarified (in their mind) something after my post, that has nothing to do with my post.
3) and some a vaccination card. - that "some" discriminated.  They chose to do that. It was not required. There are consequences for that choice. Logic
4)  Using your logic to reach your conclusion, every business in America should also be closed at this time due to the mask & distance requirement.  Because Americans would remember all those businesses “discriminated” against them. - No that is not my logic and in fact it's not logic at all. I never said a business "should" be closed.  Why do you guys think it's cool to just add ideas to someones' statements and then call it my logic? 
5)Because Punatics (and Americans) would remember every  business that “discriminated” against them.  Which was all of them. - No, all businesses did not require vaccination.

Restaurants on The Big Island were never required to require the vaccination of their patrons to allow them entry to dine.  If Ohelo's did do that, at any point in time, then they made a choice on their own to do that and people who were turned away might very likely have made the choice to never return. It's really simple.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

1) I was using it as reference to the timeframe, more precise than “a long time ago”
2) it was well before your comment.  See #9 page 1 of this thread
3) I carried my vaccination card in my wallet “a long time ago” as it was required in some places. Many doctor’s offices still require a mask, even now
4) Did I miss something?  Didn’t you state Ohelo may have closed because an old image from the internet lost them customers?  Even though earlier in this thread I (who actually ate there in person) noted that they were generally busy?  And I, who stood on their porch in person saw when they had a COVID requirement sign at the door, and noted it was removed quite awhile ago? Probably when everyone else took down their COVID signs.

I miss Ohelo’s. It was a good restaurant, and I was genuinely surprised they closed because they seemed to have plenty of customers, local Volcano residents as well as National Park visitors.

[Punatang]

1) I was using it as reference to the timeframe, more precise than “a long time ago”
2) it was well before your comment.  See #9 page 1 of this thread
3) I carried my vaccination card in my wallet “a long time ago” as it was required in some places. Many doctor’s offices still require a mask, even now
4) Did I miss something?  Didn’t you state Ohelo may have closed because an old image from the internet lost them customers?  Even though earlier in this thread I (who actually ate there in person) noted that they were generally busy?

1) OK - this is just bickering over nothing. 
2) it was well before your comment.  See #9 page 1 of this thread - My comment was #8.  Ironyak would eat your lunch for this.
3) No idea what you're trying to convey.
4) Yes, you missed a thing or two.

We have entered the realm of bickering. You clearly do not like the idea that I have presented. I can understand that.  Please try to understand that people who have been discriminated against remember that.  People who just even note (say from an Instagram page) that a member of their group has at one time been discriminated against will refrain from doing business with discriminators.  This is human nature.  It just is.  Please enjoy having the last word Edge.  I've explained this as well as I care to.  I have nothing more to say on this post (#8).

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Ironyak would eat your lunch for this.

But sadly, not at Ohelo’s.

[ironyak]

terracore - I don't use Google but yes, the thing I showed was the first return of an internet web search.
That's wild as throwing in a variety of search terms related to the Ohelo restaurant into a handful of search engines such as google, bing, duckduckgo, ecosia, etc, I can't get that image to surface to the top. It'd be interesting to know what search engine and terms returns that ~5year old image as the first result if you care to share. Thanks!

Punatang - The well known Punaweb trolls are at it again
And here I thought you said that you miss me? (When I saw that I figured you must be huffing your own natural gas. Or was it methane? Would you know the difference? ;)

Punatang - Paybacks have only just begun - this restaurants' "neighbors" were discriminated against
Ah, "payback" and "discrimination", such totally neutral and benign language, whoever could "misinterpret" that. I would question why "paybacks have only just begun" for something from 5 years ago, whatever could have changed recently... I could say that trying to walk back the "payback" statement as being disingenuous and duplicitous, but I wouldn't want that misinterpreted as at all being negative - I wish you all the best.

Tang - Ironyak would eat your lunch for this. Edge - But sadly, not at Ohelo’s.
lol - yeah, no can, Edge has no lunch cuz restaurant closed and still no answers why. May I suggest that they are horrible people for working to protect their community's health during a global pandemic and they deserve to suffer for it? In a totally neutral and unbiased way of course.

Not a fulfilling explanation that leaves rationality as empty as your stomach and a bad taste in your mouth? May you find more satisfying answers and a new favorite dining spot Edge unmarred by "discrimination" and "retribution" (but best get moving as, looking at the economic indicators, repercussions have only just begun!)