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04-05-2025, 04:06 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-05-2025, 06:19 PM by Punatang.)
I find it somewhat refreshing to visit a foreign country and note the numerous hazards that would never be allowed to exist back here.
Agreed 100%. Try walking around in Ecuador while looking at your eyephone with your head up your okole. You will end up falling in a manhole or worse.
Speaking of being protected, what thread just got deleted?
ETA: and there is a reason for that. In the US and Great Britain we have common law. If you break your neck on someone's property it's their fault. Almost everywhere else they have common sense. Wherever you break your neck, it's your fault.
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DF: Are you saying the police would mark the distance that was needed to pull the car back in order to tow it? How would that be crash related?
Punatang: A lot is allowed in other countries that is not allowed here. We don't live in Ecuador. Still, if you go to Ecuador you probably should stay off your phone and pay attention to where you are going or you might end up in a hole. But it won't be from falling. Some gang just might stuff you in one.
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Look again. Those are not "gouges." They are skid marks. AND they are marked with orange paint.
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It is not skid marks. They are marked with orange paint to show the final position of the vehicle. The pavement is gouged probably from a metal piece of the vehicle being dragged across it. No evidence of tread marks and they are in the wrong direction if the car really did hit the brakes hard. What year, make, model was the vehicle? It probably had ABS and wouldn't have left marks like that anyway, especially in the wrong direction of travel.
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(04-05-2025, 06:20 PM)leilanidude Wrote: Look again. Those are not "gouges." They are skid marks. AND they are marked with orange paint.
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It is not skid marks. They are marked with orange paint to show the final position of the vehicle. The pavement is gouged probably from a metal piece of the vehicle being dragged across it. No evidence of tread marks and they are in the wrong direction if the car really did hit the brakes hard. What year, make, model was the vehicle? It probably had ABS and wouldn't have left marks like that anyway, especially in the wrong direction of travel.
The car that made these two, equal-length tire marks had positraction. You can't make those marks without positraction. It could not have been a '64 Buick Skylark.
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LeilaniDude and Punatang, makes sense. I still do not understand why they would need the final position of the car and how it is crash related. But I'm not a traffic cop.
She was driving a 2018 Toyota sedan.
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still do not understand why they would need the final position of the car
When it’s a traffic fatality, police close the road, mark and measure everything. That’s why roads are often closed for several hours, there’s a lot to record.
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04-05-2025, 07:44 PM
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Thanks, HOTPE
We have witnessed so many crashes down here. Kids driving like a bat out of hell. Drunk drivers. High drivers. Drivers who nodded off. Drivers who were on their phones, took their eyes off the road to talk, or mess with their radio. Drivers who didn't know where they were. Some wore seatbelts- some did not. And all of them pretty much walked away- maybe banged up, but still breathing.
This was a shocking accident for us (more than the others- which are always shocking). Our windows face that road and are open. We hear everything. No racing car. No 25 feet of sceeching- nothing (which is why I thought there were very faint, last minute skid marks). Just a thump. And while the front of the car was pretty banged up, the inside wasn't bad. Radio was still playing. They didn't have to cut her out. Just break a window to unlock the doors...
(04-05-2025, 07:44 PM)Patricia Wrote: Thanks, HOTPE
We have witnessed so many crashes down here. Kids driving like a bat out of hell. Drunk drivers. High drivers. Drivers who nodded off. Drivers who were on their phones, took their eyes off the road to talk, or mess with their radio. Drivers who didn't know where they were. Some wore seatbelts- some did not. And all of them pretty much walked away- maybe banged up, but still breathing.
This was a shocking accident for us (more than the others- which are always shocking). Our windows face that road and are open. We hear everything. No racing car. No 25 feet of sceeching- nothing (which is why I thought there were very faint, last minute skid marks). Just a thump. And while the front of the car was pretty banged up, the inside wasn't bad. Radio was still playing. They didn't have to cut her out. Just break a window to unlock the doors... ______
What I am saying is, the others? They were lucky. The tragic outcome of this accident could have happened to any of the others (or those to come). I worry about young, inexperienced drivers. I worry about tourists. We can't "save" them all. But we can try to minimize the damage.
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04-06-2025, 06:40 AM
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(04-04-2025, 10:37 PM)Patricia Wrote: Obie stated: It shows exactly what has already been done.
Not only can't you see orange lines (all THREE) of them marked on a road in plain daylight, but you obviously did NOT read the text that accompanies that illustration. The text which goes into the SIZE of signs that should be considered, the REFLECTIVITY, the road markings, and curb "options."
And BTW, the small,double arrow sign, which is currently installed at the intersection, was not there the night the accident occurred.
Just MORE misinformation and misdirection on your part.
Those aren't skid marks. They are shadows from the power lines.
(04-04-2025, 11:04 PM)Patricia Wrote: Obie stated: There are no skid marks, only gouges in the road from a wheel digging in as the car was dragged onto a rollback
Look again. Those are not "gouges." They are skid marks. AND they are marked with orange paint.
No, they are shadows.
(04-04-2025, 11:48 PM)Patricia Wrote: DF stated: they're unlike any skid mark I've seen before
Please note, skid marks in a parking lot.
That's a skid mark, but it's in a different place.
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Tom K Stated: Those aren't skid marks. They are shadows from the power lines.
They aren't "shadows." Even Obie can see that.
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04-06-2025, 07:03 AM
(This post was last modified: 04-06-2025, 07:05 AM by TomK.)
No, they are shadows. What's with the shadows of the poles holding them up? They are at right angles to the "skid marks.". How did that happen if a car was braking? If you retook these pictures at roughly the same time, I would bet a lot of money that those "skid marks" would have moved in a way you could predict with the sun's position. Do it on a cloudy day; those "skid marks" won't exist.
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