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Three Sides to the Story...
#11
Ha! Ohhhh good. I'm glad.
No malice intended whatsoever.

Merely a kooky eyeball-rollin' commentary (sparked by David's missive and the ramblings of the last few days) on how we as a species -- every last one of us, myself included -- find it so easy to rip our fellow planetmates to shreds on occasion, knowing full well that in the process we end up digging our own graves.

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#12
Malolo,
Are these original poems that you craft on the fly?


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#13
LOL Malolo! I loved that. Smile)

Carrie

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#14
Ha! Good to see you grinnin' again, Carrie.

And adias? Yeah, they're original (in addition to their being insane!).

As far as being written "on the fly?" Yeah, many of 'em ...although a few of 'em are revisions or total re-workings of blurblets I began months (or even years) ago. Comments I run into here (or on other forums I visit) may remind me of something somewhat applicable that needs finishing up...and then whoosh/splat/bammm...I inflict my weirdasswordiness on the unsuspecting public. Eeeep!

Words often get us in trouble, but they can also be heaps of fun!

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#15
I consider myself a steward of a sacred place. I was told that the "puka" on my land has "bones in it". I have never actually seen any "bones" but hearing it was enough for me to consider it more likely than not. I plan to keep the "puka" the way it is currently but I will use what I need to live upon. I was drawn to this piece of land by a "power" and when I walk upon the ground I feel energy. When I sat at the rim of the "puka" I felt a powerful force coming from it. I am creating a legacy for my family and I will share it with people with good hearts no matter what color.
Anyway, I think that verbal and not type written communication is best. In person you can see me wrinkle my face and roll my eyes and suck my teeth so you might not get my point in type written form. I learned from an older man long ago.."Just smile and wave.... smile and wave".
<XXX@'o0OoOOOOOOO <-- pass that around
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#16
Hi Nate,


I'm glad you get it on Sacredness. Good job. Your respect for the `aina is such a breath of fresh air. Mahalo.

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#17
This reminds me of two olelo noeau

I ka 'olelo no ke ola, i ka 'olelo no ka make. ("Life is in speech; death is in speech."Wink



Aia ke ola i ka waha, aia ka make i ka waha. ("Life is in the mouth, death is in the mouth."Wink



Y.W.N.


Edited by - Haole Girl on 03/10/2007 16:17:47
Y.W.N.
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#18
Mmmm. Nice. Very.
Thank you for posting those, Haole Girl.

Mind if I print 'em out, blow 'em up, and hang 'em up on the wall at work? A bit of a reminder for all of us?

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#19
Unbelieveable...

For the past couple of weeks, I've been tempted to open a new thread - tentatively titled: "Cultural Safehaven", on the basis of wow, we have some new members that can provide some enlightenment from a local, perhaps even Hawaiian perspective. Many of us here are familiar with a local (Hawaiian) poster on another forum who never fails to provide valuable information and even correction but in a manner that makes the questioner feel good they asked, even if seemingly silly or embarassing. Never, an "in your face" response. So why didn't I open the thread? I didn't want to subject myself (or others) to the onslaught of abuse we've seen on other threads of late. I ask to learn, not to invite rebuke.

So, imagine my delight, when yesterday I log onto Punaweb and find my very good friend Punagirl, a person I have known face to face since before Punaweb, has done just that - opened a thread to seek cultural info. While a bit envious she had beaten me to the punch (due to my self imposed delay of course), I was still thrilled she had done so.

Now imagine my disappointment, my dismay at the replies - and lack thereof. Sad Sad

Not even a simple answer to the questions that might have elicted a yes or no.

We also learn her questions were not answerable on this form of media. Also that we are not ready for it. And to give us all this information on this form of media is not applicable.

I've met in person, face to face, many Punawebbers. I also believe that much of the negative being posted here is coming from members that have not - I know they have never met me, but still they can make a judgement?????

The term "rascism" has been bantered about here more in the past couple of weeks then in the whole history of Punaweb. Again, I've not met any in person I'd so label. In fact the only possible candidate was someone who was a very infrequent poster here and the postings where I sensed race was a factor was again on another forum. Even then, that wasn't the racism of hate, more the racism of "I'm entitled because of my birth" (nope, poster wasn't local).

I've often believed in the adage - "when the student is ready, the teacher will come". Sometimes I'm the student, sometimes I'm the teacher. I think many on this forum are ready - is there a teacher in our midst? Someone who can answer a question in such a way, that the questioners feels good for having asked and the teacher feels good someone may have advanced their knowledge? A win-win. I surely hope so.

I still have hope.
David

Ninole Resident
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#20
David,

You should check Aimee's thread. I gave an explanation of why it is not applicable on this forum to answer her question. There is absolutely no short answer to any of her questions. To be short would not be thorough and is a great wrong to answer in that manner. I sent Aimee a very long email answering each of her questions. Your mentality is exactly the reason I didn't answer on this forum. Rob got my explanation and Aimee did as well. There are alot of nice people on punaweb and there are some mentally ill ones like Frank B. So just know in the future. If you ask a Hawaiian a question, don't be surprised if they are offended. There is protocol in asking questions. Aimee has been emailing me on the side so I trust her but not "all" 1500 people on this website are culturally sensitive. Any other Hawaiian would feel the same. So before you go around thinking you deserve this information, you better think twice.


On a recent ethnobotany expedition to W. Samoa I learned that I needed to humble myself before asking elders for information on healing herbs. Your whole body language is important. You position yourself lower then the person who is giving you the information and don't pry to deep... You allow the people to tell you want "they" want and not claim you have "the right" to it. If they do not choose, you do not grumble. You take what ever information they give and not distort it and use it for your own benefit which is not the case alot of times here. I learned respect and humility before I got any information. In the end it turned out to be a beautiful sharing of information and learned much about their cultural and herbs and I was able to do a class for the village women on Hawaiian herbs and that was the beauty. We didn't take anything wrong and distort the truth. We built a "trust" before brainstorming together. I learned alot about the Samoan culture, and also about my own culture too. It was a life changing experience and am forever greatful to the people of Saipipi village for sharing with me and accepting me for the "foreigner" that I was there.

In the end they asked me if I was a doctor and if I would massage a chief whom had a stroke. I told them that I'm very much not a doctor but just a Hawaiian who wants to help people.



Edited by - momi on 03/11/2007 18:30:33
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