Pohoiki

[MyManao]

What kind of..

I hope that is more than a selective appreciation of Leila's manao..

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

we, the ʻOhana and Lawaiʻa

Obie,
You probably know the folks down that way better than most.  Do you know if Leila speaks for the entire fishing community or a majority, that Pohoiki is the best location for a fishing boat ramp?  Is it because of the history, or proximity for a majority of the fishermen, or is it better than Ka’akepa for them? Why was Ka’akepa proposed as an alternative?

[Punatang]

MyMan! posted: the shiny misinformed bauble over on Medium.


I hope that is more than a selective appreciation of Leila's manao..

You left out the best part: What kind of dirtball fake-shakes hands with Kanaka who are just trying to subsist?

[MyManao]

You left out the best part..

I am looking forward to you sharing your manao, the information I hope you're collecting as I write, about the alternatives for governor over on the politics board. Really 'Tang, it seems the party's mums da word.. ie the Dems are giving Josh a free pass. And beings that I know so little about the alternatives I am hoping someone with your zeal, and obvious distain for the guy, will fill in the blanks so we all can make informed decisions. If nothing else, and since I imagine you lean to the R over the D maybe you'd share your thinking on the choices they provide.. do sometime to get the ball rolling..

[HiloJulie]

In my opinion, I'd say this sums up the entire Pohoiki Boat Ramp issue very succinctly:

This is what it looks like to throw over $9 million of your money into the ocean. Who should be held accountable? | by Tam Hunt | Jun, 2026 | Medium

A very poignant snip:

Taking responsibility isn’t only standing up afterward and saying so. It’s the choices you make before the money goes out — especially when your own experts have told you the cheap option will likely fail, not once but numerous times, loudly and clearly. And taking full responsibility means doing more than lip service after the failure.

Leadership had a decision in front of it: spend $9 million now on an approach the state’s own experts (and community members) said was likely to wash out, not once but many times, or hold the line for the durable fix and keep fighting for the funding to do the job right.

Our leaders chose to spend the $9 million on a solution that many, including the engineers, said would fail. The ocean did exactly what many feared, and promptly filled the channel back in.

There’s a bitter irony in the aftermath. Asked later about simply re-dredging the channel, Ilagan told the Hawaiʻi Tribune-Herald it would be “throwing money into the ocean” (Oct. 23, 2025).

[Obie]

we, the ʻOhana and Lawaiʻa

Obie,
You probably know the folks down that way better than most.  Do you know if Leila speaks for the entire fishing community or a majority, that Pohoiki is the best location for a fishing boat ramp?  Is it because of the history, or proximity for a majority of the fishermen, or is it better than Ka’akepa for them? Why was Ka’akepa proposed as an alternative?

Of course he does.

This is the chosen spot.

[MyManao]

The ocean did exactly what many feared, and promptly filled the channel back in.

Just to be clear, the ocean had nothing to do with the refilling of the void left by the dredging. Absolutely nothing. 

The amount of filling in over such a short period of time can not be attributed to being carried in by the ocean. If that was the case, if that much sand was moving through the ocean on a regular basis, then all the bays all the way to Punaluu would be choked, and growing more so on a daily basis, with more and more sand.

But, ok, if it was...

Where would all that sand be coming from? Are you suggesting the 2018 flow front, the coastal front, is eroding that fast? And eroding not to rubble, but all the way down to sand? Literally, making mountains of sand daily? If so why is the newly emplaced coastline not receding in a remarkable way? Why hasn't Kapoho been eroded back to its preexisting coastline? Why have the Wai'opae Tidepools not been reestablished? And why has the coastline at Pohoiki not continued to grow after the sand refilled the dredged void?

Just considering the purely physical aspects..

It is impossible to have accumulated that much sand in that short of a time from the ocean unless there's a source of sand to feed the process. And that's black sand, not made by erosion but by molten lava shattering when it is quenched. But there is no molten lava.. no quenching going on. Think it through. Without critically considering what is being said, sure it sounds good, but when one actually thinks about it, how is that happening? What's the process that made the sand, and put it in the ocean, at such a rate as to fill the dredged void in a matter of weeks? Even the active flow back in 2018 took longer than that to make the beach in the first place. So.. you say the ocean filled in the bay, and I am curious.. you allow your mind to believe this.. but how does your mind account for its beliefs?

[HiloJulie]

Just to be clear, the ocean had nothing to do with the refilling of the void left by the dredging. Absolutely nothing.

You have repeatedly said this. Yet, you are the only one who says this. Nor do you ever state what it is you think caused the newly dredged channel to close. You just ask dozens of questions.

Being clear here myself I am not saying the ocean caused this. I am agreeing with what the engineers and DNLR are saying. On the other hand, YOU are saying the ocean did not cause this, but you are not providing any substantiation to support your claim as to what did. 

Will Bailey: State's Dredging Of Pohoiki Bay Fails Quickly And Completely - Honolulu Civil Beat
“The closure was caused by heavy tidal conditions,” said Andrew Laurence, DLNR communications director. “Nature proved more than a match for this solution.”

$9M dredging project at Pohoiki Boat Ramp fails after channel fills with volcanic debris
"The Department of Land and Natural Resources (DLNR) said that the recently dredged Pohoiki Boat Ramp entrance channel is filled with volcanic debris due to heavy tidal conditions over the past week."

DLNR Update on Pohoiki Boat Ramp | Division of Boating and Ocean Recreation
"From October 16 – 19, 2025, the entrance channel filled with black sand, cobbles, and larger lava rocks carried by ocean swells."

And this image that was embedded in Tam's article:

   

Note the reference to the reasons why Options 1 and 2 were less preferred.

So, what makes you so adamant that the ocean DID NOT cause the failure of the Pohoiki dredging project, but everybody else says it did? What do you think caused this issue of the newly dredged channel being closed with debris days after it was dredged? Was it those same vandals who messed up the reflecting pool??

Sorry, but I'm going with what the DLNR said WOULD happen and then WHAT happened.

[Obie]

Everyone keeps chirping about the failure of the dredging and the loss of 9 million dollars.

That money would have been spent anyway and if you have been down there you can see the mountain of cobble and sand that was removed. It didn't go to waste at all but it is a terrible set back because the EA and permitting will probably take 10 years.

The feeling I get is Tam infuriated the local fishermen by dancing around barefoot on the lava while dissing everybody that was involved.

Ikaika Marzo was especially put out.

[MyManao]

The feeling I get is Tam infuriated the local fishermen.. Ikaika Marzo was especially put out.

"I have speeding tickets. I imagine almost everyone reading this does too."

Empathy.. or the lack thereof.

The same reason the TMT get all kine pushback..