Eye Sore in HPP, and it really pisses me off!

[Beachboy]

Have any of you travelled down Kaloli Dr. lately? About three weeks ago I saw some parents & kids walking up and down the road picking up lot of roadside opala. Keeping HPP clean is something we should all(residents of HPP) do!
But it has come to my attention that few residents, or should I say guest to HPP feel differently about it, or just don't give a damn? I travel weekly up and down Kaloli Dr. to take one of my kids to school in Kea'au. Right behind the Samoan Church some one has put up a tent. The resident[s] of this tent has decided it is easier to throw their trash right outside their tent rather than to haul it to the Kea'au waste center? I'm not talking about full trash bags left outside of tent, but rather empty cans of Samoan Corn Beef, empty Spam cans, dirty diapers, etc,etc...
Who lives that way? I hope these tent people are not there long? Talk about taking advantage of a good situation!

[Carey]

This is one of the interesting things here, a lot of people still do not think throwing out their garbage on their lot is wrong (back a hundred years ago everyone did it....)We are on a city lot that has decades of houshold garbage (not a hundred years ago stuff, but plastic Walmart bag era stuff). Most of the neighbors use curbside pickup (we are in town) but the previous owner did not. Parts of our lot are now 1/2 - one foot higher than when the lot was fenced.
I have been involved in quite a few cleanups since moving here, every thing from an illegal lava tube dump near the ocean to coastal cleanups of parks. Used to be involved in cleanup on the mainland. The trashing of the land happens both places, it just seems worse here, probably the knowledge of the fragility of this place makes it seem so wasteful.




Edited by - carey on 05/12/2007 22:08:50

[olin137]

Unfortunately there will always be those with no concept of the "common good". Just this morning I'll going up Kaloli and a pickup (fairly battered looking and full of tools - so I'm assuming a local) roared by at what had to be 50+ mph (I didn't know you could go that fast over the undulations of lower Kaloli), sometimes almost half into the opposite lane - then to top it off, out comes a wad of papers from the driver window. Ugh.

Olin

[Jeffhale]

Additionally, I have been enjoying, not just my nice, friendly neighbors, cursing and virtually spitting at me, stink eye, plus being intimidated every time I get near my property line, but the wonderful gifts given to me threw the years, surly before my loving neighbors moved in and obvious after, from time to time.. All within a ten foot perimeter of the property line, on each side, West, east and north borders, each neighbors area, scattered beer cans, soda cans, plastics and bottles, Rotting iron, various yard ornaments gone bad, broken pots and things. Yesterday I noticed I've been given a neighborly gift of a few small rotting plants for my dried brush pile, and all kinds of neighborly comforts at the same time, apparently a few bricks and old rotting cans too.. Unwanted rocks, etc... from thier recent weekly yard cleanup. Erup.. thanks brudda..

It's become obvious as I am learning too, that it's a custom in Hawaii, to shower your neighbors empty or jungle lot with many, many gifts in which, when you own these lots and prepare them, you should thank your neighbors for all the wonderful things they'd given you threw the years, and pass the favor by cleaning them up on your own, not mentioning nor having reason to say, ' Thank you neighbor! '

Apparently it's a given, you take your gifts, from heaven, obvious because they surly didn't to this, and if you don't'ts like's em, I inderstand, you may Puk!!!xxx!!!en trash em youse !@@!!##$$!!!! selves, broda.

Yeah!


I am loving many of the local customs but having a difficult time doing the same to the empty lots in my area. Perhaps in time though, I'll change my evil ways, and dump Sh......t in the empty lots too.

I slow but eventually catch on..



If somebody could just convince me that, it truly is a custom to give all these gifts back to my new friends, (disgruntled neighbors), I can't tell you how much enjoyment I'd get from that! However, unfortunately, whether a custom to return the volley or not, I have this thing against revenge. err.. not sure which I dislike the most, new neighbors or me morals...







Edited by - Jeffhale on 05/13/2007 11:38:16

[Beachboy]

perhaps the people who live in the tent behind the Church use the internet & cruise Punaweb? I noticed they have cleaned up somewhat behind their tent hale!

[mella l]

My aina rant, sorry :')

These free gifts from heaven? I though native behaviors had everything to do with loving and respecting the aina the land.

How can dirty rotting cans, garbage and such be loving the aina? diapers yuck

My idea of loving the aina is planting all that is beautiful native and natural and caring for it. Growing all that is edible natural and healthy and caring for it.

Trashing the aina isn't a sin? I guess I have lots of learning to do too.

Glad the tent people have cleaned things up a bit. You know they could get rats or diseases from this stuff, living with it and throwing this stuff around not to mention cutting a foot on a rusty can and needing tetanus shots to avoid lock jaw. Oh go figure!

mella l

[Jeffhale]

Mella, I am just trying to find some humor of my predicament.

Absolutely, the locals, even next door to me ought to place more value on their neighbors property, and the land as a whole. On the opposite side of me too the fellow tells me it's O.K. to throw your waist on empty lots. like it's some kind of tradition, unwritten law.. For his benefit I have piled up all of the waist he's tossed threw the years, right beside his small rock wall, hopping he'll get a sense of responsibility and remove it. It's been over four months and trash sits and waits for him. Just two days ago he told me of "his" opinion of trash and empty lots, for the second time.

Unfortunately for them their behavior is causing me to think in terms of; big ugly fence, (ugly on their side or view) which Will prevent them from getting breeze..but I am going for the 'out of site out of mind' and as of their last barrage of "gifts" I've begun planting tall shrubs.. But if they keep it up? they gonna be looking at big ugly fence!

I think it's possible that having a fence is their worst fear, but their activity, attitude, foul mouths, and arrogant behavior, IS working against this idea.

They've informed me that "respect" is what they want. However ObViOuSlY do not feel that "respect" is a two way street. Trash my land, curse, swear atnd threaten me, cut down MY avocado tree while I was gone, call me on the mainland before I've had a chance to meet them, and demand I clear my lot, etc. etc.. etc.. They ain't got no aloha..

da ain't getting my respect but have gotten my attention... Waisting my thoughts on their negative behavior, and making me uncomfortable..

[HiloHaole]

Welcome to the phrase, "Treat the land with Aloha, you Haoles." This overused expression, seemingly aimed mainly at the transplants from the mainland, ignores most of the trash coming from non-Haoles.

[HiloHaole]

Lack of Homeowner Association rules gives me the opinion that I wouldn't again buy in places like HPP. Roosters can come at any time next door and live in the back, side, and even front yards, destroying your property value and paradise palace.

[mella l]

Hey Jeff aren't these the neighbors that wanted you to clear your lot because rats were breeding there? Rats like garbage.

Hey you looking for a fencing crew! Perhaps you might consider hosting the next Punatics Party!! LOL

I loved your levity it was all over your posting, made me laugh. Free gifts. Best of luck for a solution, perhaps move to Mountainview?

mella l