Eye Sore in HPP, and it really pisses me off!

[Carey]

Jeff, Have you thought of getting paint (hot pink seems to be the color) & painting the rocks on your side of the property line (even 1/2 rocks). They may stay. (Not that I am accusing your neighbors of stealing...)
Carey

[aprild]

Jeff,

It is my experience that a percentage of people take kindness as weakness and it only encourages them to take advantage of you. Usually the people who think this way will make their attitude known to you early in the relationship and you can tell if gentle kindness will be effective with them or if 'tough love' is called for.

My learning experience was the neighbors in HSRE. After that experience the Universe gave me another chance to see if I had learned the lesson. I did. Don't be intimidated by threats.

Some individuals will continue to walk all over you unless you make a stand. In fact, I think it is never good to let others abuse you. If the law is on your side (and you can research this beforehand) I would counsel using every means at hand to protect yourself and your property, beginning with the least use of 'force.' In a boundary dispute with a neighbor of my mother, I first spoke with the renter of the property. (Well, actually, first I researched the heck out of the situation, going to the Title office to get maps, reading codes, making diagrams and taking pictures.) When I was ignored, I wrote a letter to the owner of the property, included a map and pictures and, most, importantly, indicated that I was going to pursue the matter with everything at my disposal--in a nice way, of course--no threats. I think it is important to let them know that you know the law and will use it to defend yourself if necessary. This worked and the fence they had built on my mother's property was removed.

Best case scenario: this will be all it takes to let your new neighnbors know you are not a push-over. This is the best way of getting the respect you deserve from clueless people.

If you have to take it further, then so be it. It is worth it to improve your living conditions and will, undoubtedly, forestall other incursions into your space in the future. People like these who are 'treated kindly' will only escalate because they can--they think you are weak.

One woman's thoughts on the subject...





april

[Lew P]

WOW these posts make the island sound like a very unfriendly, dirty, place with cops who don't care and locals who are at the least disrespectful, and hateful to all except their own types. Glad I live in Oregon.

[Jeffhale]

This is not a common occurrence Lew P. In fact I've made many friends in my short stays and continue to. Just minutes ago a neighbor where we are renting, brought over a large moose plant thing. And the other day gave us a travelers bird of paradise. And as i said, the other neighbors in our lot location are friendly too. it's just these two... This type of problem is everywhere you go, there's always neighbors fighting over every inch of dirt, no matter where yaw live. I used to own and operate a small fencing company,, Fractions of an inch have been issues that never stops showing up in the courts.


LOL Carrie, actually two weeks ago I had in mind to spray paint the lot line. However was reluctant because of the intimidation, that if my line wasn't perfect, there'd be trouble. In retrospect now I wish i had..

We are preparing to get photographs today. And it seems most of the activity occurs on Saturday. If there's one single sign of trouble, we'll be bringing in the police.

I called a few lawyers Thursday, got their assistants, who took notes and promised to return with info Friday, not a single call back. i even accidentally called one who said he couldn't because he sits as a judge on these cases. However, he sounded enthusiastic and recommended that i should call, so and so, but there's no call back. So, we wait.. While waiting we gather the opinion that most attorneys don't like getting involved in neighbor disputes.

In the mean time, yup, we gonna start calling the police and attempt to have our rights enforced.

There's so many things where i could do so much damage to their lively hood, is one reasons I've also been reluctant to bring in lawful action.

Found out she works at Wal-mart when she blocked me in the middle of the isle, and attempted to intimate me there. Tough decision there at those anxious moments; Get her fired and deal with her without a job? Not a good idea.

Or the body shop her husband operates out of their garage. Or the room extension they are in the middle of completing without permits or up to code.

point is they've given me quite enough to really screw up their lively hood, which complicates my issues with em.. These are obviously the type of people who take pleasure in blaming every body for their problems, and If the rift came down on them, I'd NEVER live in peace!

if they are in the process of building a wall where they've taken out MY rocks, and OUR rocks they'd need a building permit for it too. plus engineers stamp. it could not be construed as anything except a foundation wall. I'd just rather they build the wall as soon as possible. In fact i been thinking that IF there was a way to communicate with them, which there is not, I'd rather give them a few bucks to complete a foundation wall then have to toss it over to an attorney. (just a side thought, which i have not concluded I'd do, plus they'd have to be friendly, which I doubt is within them) But a wall would be to both our benefits.. to be sure.. IF that's what they are up too.

Hawaiian beaches Corner of Opelu and Puna Paka..feel free to stop by! Drive up onto the lot if yaw likes' muss around, just don't throw any rocks and such, LOL.

i am thinking; There is more done and said on the topic where it was mentioned, people showing up might turn things around a bit. However, please don't feed the neighbors! I seriously doubt they'd shoot! Do not think they are crank/ice heads ha..










humm.. BTW since i seem to be gathering yawl's attention, i might as well throw in a plug for me daughter.. Here's a link to her music, and we's is making Cd's of her songs, we'll be handing out next week... Nothing for sale, but me thinks she's got something going on, hopefully not just the bias dad, LOL

http://www.myspace.com/christinehale


i like listening to her songs More than this topic, LOL

She writes, plays all instruments to her songs, records her own voice as back up vocals and the like and mixes it on her computer. She's done a few gigs this year and has engagements at the cat club on sunset blvd.. The Monday (nobody special night) but still, more fun than neighbors disputes.

Edited by - Jeffhale on 05/19/2007 13:30:46

[Carey]

Jeff, she has a very nice voice, Thanks for the link!

[Dave M]

Sounds pretty darn good to me. I'm no talent scout but I have lived in and around Austin for a while, in that I've heard a lot of start up music, both live and on the radio. Sounds like she may have a shot. But it is a tuff industry. Tell her not to forget us little people

Take care,
dave

[HiloHaole]

You pretty well summed it up, Lew. The police on the BI is a pretty corrupt bunch. It's more of the buddy system on the east side since many are friends or relatives of each other. You'd be surprised how many people have cousins in East Hawaii. A Local told me that a judge cooks for people at the cockfights -- which are illegal.

[Dave M]

"since many are friends or relatives of each other"

Probably very true. But do you think it could be more of small town issue. I know of a County here, where the Judge, County prosecutor and the sheriff are all related. As well, in San Augustine County in East Tx. everyone from the deputies all the way up to two sitting Judges were convicted for a large scale Meth operation. They were almost all related in some, six degrees of K bacon way.

Yeah, i don't doubt that it is as you say in Puna. But, I'll go out on a limb here and betcha there could be a small town in Oregon that has a bit of nepotism at play as well. Anyway.. just a thought.

Take care,
dave

[Jeffhale]

Yup Dave my sediments exactly, small town thing. I grew up in East L.A. (nough said ?) However, I moved my family to Joplin Misery (no ocean) in 1984. It took me about five years to adjust to the small town life. Especially for so many years once I said i was from California, it set a plague on peoples thoughts about me. Out there they call it "The good ol'boy" system. In the first few years I had thoughts about plagiarism and incest, but that's not really the case. Most people grew up with each other and learned to forgive their short comings.

Out here they call it "Cousin", it is no different than the "Good ol'boy" system.

Kathy, I haven't tried calling the police about trespassing, and don't expect much from that, not here nor anywhere in the U.S. I did call them when they were harassing me on the mainland and the police were very friendly compassionate and anxious to file charges. However, what few brief person to person encounters I've had with them here, were unsatisfactory, very. Not filing a complaint but just plain arrogant behavior. Once in particular, asking for directions at the kaau station, they were rude, short coming and borderline abusive.

Carrie, and Dave, awe heck your comments made me eyes water.

Be warned though, I am not sure if it's just me and me wife, but some of her songs get stuck in you mind after listening to em a few times.

http://www.myspace.com/christinehale

[HiloHaole]

Jeff, the "small town" aspect is what I meant. The "small town" in regards to Hawaii is the entire East Hawaii, a somewhat larger area than most small towns. In addition, there are more relatives in East Hawaii than most small towns on the mainland because of the vast majority of non-transits. Small towns on the mainland have people leaving, going off to college, etc. Here, most stay around as they have done for years. "Cousins" here in East Hawaii are, in fact, cousins. That's unlike the "Auntie" expression, where it pertains to an older woman. That's much like an expression, "Dad," that was used years ago in the South to express respect for an elderly man.