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Big Box Ban - Thoughts?
#31
Very good point Rob, and there is no answer to this. There never had been one and probably never will be. Wal-Mart won several suits based on why groceries are specifically singled out versus other dissimilar products. How much difference is it really between a discount retailer adding groceries versus the examples I gave Jade? One can argue that it's secretly an anti- Wal-Mart Super Center issue. One can argue that it's a size issue. One can argue it’s about mom & pop killer stores. One can argue that it’s about disproportionate sales tax revenue. One can argue that it's an overall community impact issue. And, one can argue that it’s to prevent the SuperFerry from traveling over speed bumps on cinder streets to avoid lava and keep the Coqui’s where they are and prevent the spread of Nulla-Walla-Tee-Doo Flies. It all amount to the same thing. Nobody really knows what and why. So, it opens the governing body up to all sorts of expensive legal challenges and gives people absolutely anything they want in the way of a reson.

There is a legitimate concern over size. The average full service grocery store can be nearing 90,000 sq. feet. The same for the average discount retailer. But when they combine both, they will need to exceed the 100,000 sq. foot benchmark. Now if anyone can remember what happens when a supermarket or big retailer closes, those stores can remain empty for some time, or the developer is forced to spend big money to divide it up into more salable/leaseable space. Now, take one of the Smitty's or Fry's Market Places that closed and you have a store almost twice as large as a normal supermarket or retail store and it can sit for a decade vacant. I don't want to single out Wal-Mart but they compounded the problem because they try to own the property or have exclusive lease rights. So when they close a normal center because they opened up a Super Center across the street. They will refuse to rent, lease or sell that property to anyone for anything that will compete with or dilute their exclusive draw power. Now you have an empty store producing zip for tax revenue to the community. I hope that the powers that be that have the finial thumbs up or down on Wall-Mart Super Center's lease, have the sense to require them that if they do close the existing store that they can not sit on it to prevent competition.

So, until someone can really explain what’s going on and why, the problems with dealing with this subject on the mainland will come barreling to the BI.


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#32
Good point regarding a standard Walmart remaining empty after the SuperWalmart is built.
But that isn't always the case of course, I know of a few that reverted to a Bed Bath & Beyond ,Gander Mountain ( outdoor store ) Antique dealers, furniture. Actually the furniture store replaced Lowes - as Lowes expanded.

The chit chat here was that perhaps, maybe, hypothetically the existing Walmart would be torn down to create additional parking.

Personally , I would rather have the SuperWalmart in the Ulupono Town Center.


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#33
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Personally , I would rather have the SuperWalmart in the Ulupono Town Center.



I have heard that two "major retail" companies signed letters of intent in the Ulupono Town Center.

Does anyone know anything about that?

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#34
Ulupono Town Center

Last year rumor mill was costco!!! hahaha sigh... I can't wait to hear about the rumors this year...

As for big box ban, and higa... What a joke... Super walmart is already approved. Its pretty much a done deal.


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#35
Well I'd love to see a Trader Joe's or a Whole Foods, but they aren't big box by the definition here.

"Super Wal-mart already approved, done deal"???

Wasn't the Superferry a done deal before it was blown out of the water??? Interesting how things get done and undone there!

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#36
You may have already seen this once-upon-a-time, in which case please forgive. If you haven't however, and you suddenly find yourself in the mood for a smirk and a snicker and a Big-Box-sigh...

http://www.jibjab.com/originals/big_box_mart

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#37
That doesn't make me laugh. It makes me sad.

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#38
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Last year rumor mill was costco!!! hahaha sigh... I can't wait to hear about the rumors this year...



http://www.uluponocenter.com

Here's the site for Ulupono Town Center.

Can't put a Costco on two 50,000 square foot lots. Anywho...

Back to original thread. I'm not sure why our legislatures are WASTING THEIR TIME AND OUR MONEY with a ban like this one. It doesn't effect Super-Wal-Mart because they're going to build on DHHL.

Ok...so? We're on an island in the middle of the Pacific. That doesn't mean that we should block mainland businesses, regardless of footprint, who want to come here and provide the types of services that exist on the mainland.

Our legislatures should, however, spend their time and our money making sure that if these companies have a vested interest in the Big Island then they need to put land/road improvement $$ in escrow.

(Getting down from the soapbox once again!)

"What? Me Worry?" - Alfred E. Nueman
"Vote with your money!"
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#39
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"That doesn't make me laugh. It makes me sad."


Mmmm. Yes.
Sorry about that, bystander.
Didn't mean to screw up your Saturday.
It's gratifying to meet a planetmate with a conscience though.

---malolo (...who was afraid that if she prefaced the link with "this will make you sad," no one would bother to take a look!)

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#40
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That doesn't make me laugh. It makes me sad.



What makes me sad is that our local Government is trying ban free enterprise.

I'm sure some of you "see it my way." But I'm sure we all wish we were a self sustaining nation...but we're not.

And who is to blame? We are! For wanting more pay for less work.

Some of us have gotten lazy and dived for the protection of a UNION!

So we joined unions to protect our jobs. But did they?
OK...ok...I know it just wasn't about the money...it was also better work environment, healthcare and benefits also.

However, many unions have won higher wages and better working conditions for their members. In doing so, they have reduced the number of jobs available. That second effect is because of the basic law of demand: if unions successfully raise the price of labor, employers will purchase less of it. Thus, unions are the major anticompetitive force in labor markets. Their gains come at the expense of consumers, nonunion workers, the jobless, and owners of corporations.

FREE ENTERPRISE, RIGHT TO WORK, DOWN WITH UNIONS!

Ouch...I think I just fell thru the bottom of my soapbox! Maybe I'll sue the manufacturer....yeah...yeah...that's the ticket!

Isn't it time we all started taking better care of ourselves and become responsable for our actions?

Whew! Still had one foot up there...

Your turn!




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"Vote with your money!"
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