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A carbon neutral big island?
#1
A few thoughts. . .but at this point no advocacy, mind you.

It seems to me that many of the issues impacting the big island, its economy, its inhabitants, its ecology are simply products of development and conventional exploitive business practices. This shouldn't surprise anyone, and I'm not pointing fingers, as as far as I'm concerned anyone who earns enough money to file a tax return has been sopping at the trough of guilt--myself included, in spite of my ecological leanings. But as I hear about frogs, shorelines, helicopters, the ferry, etc., and the rest what I really hear is just one thing loud and clear--it's getting crowded. And when it gets crowded, it's harder to take more than your fair share of the public trust without stepping on some one else's toes. And rightly so. If there's a big pie, and few pie eaters, everyone gets along and no one needs especially fine manners. If there's a small pie, and a lot of pie eaters--anybody who takes their big helping out first is pretty much a arse by any definition--capitalist or economic or legal evasions aside.

While I don't support the current "carbon neutral" policies as I see them more or less as a clear scam for large businesses to simply keep polluting--it seems clear that on a local scale--like Hawaii--a carbon neutral policy could be a HUGE boon. Especially since the biggest asset of the island IS it's ecology, and anyone who comes there impacts it--negatively--it seems we all do and should owe something to clean up the mess. If there was a carbon impact fee for:

Helicopter flights.
Tour Ships.
Buses.
Building.
Vehicle importation.
Trash of any sort.
Etc.

Where the fees go to reclaim sugar cane fields and replant with native plants, etc., I think we could all feel that we were moving towards a better Hawaii, not a deader one, which we clearly are and will.

It's a small enough community and a progressive enough one that it's a possibility, and a blanket solution to many problems-thoughts?

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#2
I still think a few well placed turbines in the channel between Maui ann the Big Island could provide all the power we could possibly use, reducing carbon fuel use immensely. The channel runs one way, the turbines would turn just like in a river and the energy is free once the cost of the materials is amortized....

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#3
The whales would find the noise from the turbines intolerable.

Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
Pua`a
S. FL
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#4
My wife and I are doing the best we can to reduce our carbon footprint. We drive a biodiesel powered Jeep CRD that uses B100 100% recycled vegetable oil, we are currently building an off grid home in Hawaiian Acres which will be powered by photovoltaics and at least one windmill, and we will be practicing permaculture and aquaculture. We also already have an organic orchard with almost 200 fruit trees.

Almost every single thing society touches is created with fossil fuels today including food, 10 calories of fossil fuel energy for a every single calorie of food energy. The problem is very complex as even solar panels take fossil fuels to create, mine the minerals, energy to manufacture and ship to your location.

Check out this off grid community in Puna:

http://www.permaculture-hawaii.com/

Here's some other post carbon links:

http://www.relocalize.net/groups/maui

http://www.relocalize.net/node/924

http://www.postcarbon.org/

http://www.oildepletionprotocol.org/

http://postcarboncities.net/

http://www.relocalize.net/

http://www.energyfarms.net/

http://tinyurl.com/yspwcf

http://www.aspo-usa.com/

Edited by - Tahunatics on 10/23/2007 07:31:46
Steve & Regina
Hawaiian Acres / North Lake Tahoe

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#5
Isn't "carbon credits" more reason for those build your own home power systems? Who going to be paying for carbon credits as well as $100/barrel oil? Pass it on no?

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#6
Living minimally is commendable, but really, we must realize is only a personal effect. One's choice not to consume only subsidizes someone else's consumption. It takes not only personal moral authority, but also a continuous effort toward reform--I think the first step is a simple libertarian idea of each and own paying their fair share--and that you don't get to use the atmosphere as your private sewer.

I know living off the grid is romantic and all, and I have for years-the choice to do so is primarily a philosophical one, not an ecological one. Not a bad choice, mind you, but in spite of the green spin saves nothing for the environment.

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#7
I look forward to and think about living "off the grid" all the time. Might be a philosophical aspect- I tried to read the Thoreau book but he lost me after the part about "simplify, simplify." Certainly living off the grid is a feelgood alternative and hopefully a competitive alternative as well as additional regs kick in. While we wait for Canadian oil sands to come on line.

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#8
I hate to be a complete pessimist but if we are a world population of 6 billion heading for a world population of 12 to 24 to 48 billion then aren't we ignoring the primary problem? It's not carbon. It's us.

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#9
Certainly, agreed, and we can't control any of that, but perhaps make some control of what happens to Hawaii itself and control the population THERE.

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#10
I'm off the grid too, I also drive a Liberty CRD, (no biofuel though). I think it would be great to have a source of hawaii grown fuel. In my national geographic it says that suger cane is one of the best sources for biofuel. thats 600-800 gallons an acre compared to 300-400 for corn. Thats an energy balance of 8/1, one unit of fossil fuel used in production of 8 units of biofuel. Does anyone know how many acres of sugarcane fields there are on the island? My guess would be somewhere near 100,000. We could be nearly self sustaining here, with a little effort. We could grow most of our own food. We could produce 100% of our electricity for sure. Self-reliance feels good, and its good for the planet.

Daniel R Diamond
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