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I am a HPP resident and would like to know the current status of when they will start paving the roads in this subdivision that the 12 million dollars was appropriated for? I recall something about as early as September but that has already passed. Anybody have any up to date info?
Also...I live on the 5th street between Makuu and the end of the subdivision and our road is horrible. Going down on Makuu and turning right on 5th there are huge potholes right at the entrance that will undoubtedly break someones axle soon. I don't recall seeing a grader on our road in the past year (Im retired and home most of the time). Has anyone else in HPP with road problems seen a grader on their street in a while?
It seems that posting about our subdivisions concerns on this forum gets more feedback than HPP's own discussion board. I will undoubtedly have to go to our Hui office with the problems since even their contact email is outdated. But I did want to see if anyone else knew anything first.
And finally... I understand that there has been some debate as to which roads will be paved by the appropriated money since not all of the roads can be paved with only 12 million. 10th, 16th, and 22nd have been mentioned as well as the lower half of all the 3 main roads. Has this been finalized? Or is there still time to make changes?
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When I called the HPPOA office a couple of weeks ago, the lady who answered the phone told me that the Road Committee had not yet finalized the paving plan. I don't know whether that means there will be additional public input or not. One would expect that the committee's plan would at the very least have to be approved by the full board. I am NOT an expert on such matters, but it would seem that the mandate provided by the election to pave the roads was given under the assumption they would ALL be paved. Since that is apparently no longer the case, the mandate would be philosophically and morally questionable. Whether it is legally questionable is another matter altogether. Does anybody still have a copy of or remember the exact wording of the election ballot?
Previous paving projects in HPP have been poorly handled, and I abstained on the vote for that reason. I did not vote "no" because I thought maybe they had learned a lesson and also because a lot of us thought it might be a good thing for HPP to do something significant for itself instead of complaining about what the county has refused to do. FWIW, the vote passed by a very wide margin.
Meanwhile, road maintenance does seem to be suffering, and all the recent rain is not helping.
Cheers,
Jerry
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BOYCOTT HPP ROAD FEES!
5th street has a SERIOUS bathtub/pot hole at Paradise, south side. I was down there 4 times today back and forth from a friend's house who lives in the middle of that block.
18th between Paradise and Kaloli really sucks. My road, most roads are the worst I've seen in years. Yet the HPPOA/Road crew will LIE to your face.
Susan Mayhew has lied to my face, Clyde the road crew "mgr." now I guess lied to me when I was in his office and he change the schedule right in front of me and didn't follow what he said.
The court needs to over see that 12 million or we're really gonna get the shaft. Talk about corrupt. I can't count the board members who've come and gone/quit. Most the time I go past the office the equipment is sitting there. I've seen two guys working on some dumb weed eater motor while the road equipment was just sitting.
Those people are so inept it makes most of us who have lived here some time sick. I was told that the roads with the most complaints get the most work. So call, call, and call some more.
I've complained as long as I've been here and it's ridiculous. 12 million? maybe 12 streets will get paved and most likely the ones that the board members live on.
The HPPOA was in court (receivership) just a 1/2 dozen years ago. They still haven't kept up the side roads. Messed up the contract on Paradise, a second contractor had to "finish" what the first one started.
A pot hole on Paradise, bent a tie rod on my SL500 Benz, and the office more or less just said "oh well". They're "mushy rude" when you call, IF you get through. Appear polite but is it? When it's a lie?
Unfortunately, looking at Beachboy's, Who's here and who's not post, which has faded away shows only 30? puna residents. maybe 20 are in HPP. So a Boycott by those that read here would do little. But if a thousand or two holding road fees until we get some REAL specific and TRUTHFUL answers might make a difference.
I'm not paying again until I see a grader and material on my street and I HOPE they take me to court over it. Because then I'll sopena all their books. They've added all kinds of stuff to the HPPOA Office.
It's a farce. I asked Susan if she knew of the Punaweb and her answer was along the lines of "F.... those guys and that site". No wonder the HPP blog is dead.
The last road manager told me I won't see my road paved in my lifetime and I'm only in my 50's. If they'll lie to your face, you can't believe a word that comes out of it.
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Serving on an association board is one of the most thankless tasks in the world...you are required to become expert on so many things, very quickly. It is easy for a Board to wade in beyond its expertise. And almost everything you do costs money.
The type of people attracted to running an association are rarely the kind you actually want running it, for so many reasons.
My experience with Susan has been brief and cordial and I found her to be very helpful, and fairly astute.
The HPP website does appear to be fairly moribund.
The decision to pave the roads was probably ill-advised. Maintaining the roads once they are paved will be difficult, and expensive. And paving "some" of the roads is going to make most of the people pretty angry, because it is impossible to make choices regarding which roads to pave that please everyone.
As Jerry points out, it does appear that there has been a change of circumstances and, at the very least, the matter should be reconsidered under the new circumstances, as the premise underlying the vote has been proven to be faulty.
We should probably be pushing for a new referendum that presents the circumstances as they are, and then presents the alternatives.
I came to this late in the day, but the problem may be that we already have funding entanglements that may propel us forward.
I do recommend not burning any bridges with the decisionmakers (to the extent there are decisions still to be made).
And do not assume that those of us who own in HPP, but are not in HPP, could care less and are not paying attention.
We care and we are paying attention.
Nothing personal Glen, but owning here and living here is as different as day and night. However nicely you put it, it isn't the same as driving down these freakin roads everyday.
How many stupid board meeting have you sat through over the years?
How many of your neighbors have you listened to complain about their roads TO THE BOARD IN PERSON?
However cordial Susan may have been to you, if she lies to one I doubt if she has any qualms about tell anyone, anything they want to hear to have them go away.
Still you, (if you lived here) would have to drive up and down these crappy roads. Promises, promises, promises.
Not to mention all the construction traffic, which does the most damage. These road weren't made for semi trucks and heavy traffic.
I see contractors and their worker's trucks w/trailers wippin down these red cinder roads throwing fine dust into the air, your house, your lungs, in all your electronics. They should charge a surcharge for trucks over a certain GVW limit.
My cleaning lady is amazed how much dirtier houses are in HPP than other places she cleans with paved roads.
In HA you can't go wippin up and down those roads or you'll loose it. They're worse but get less traffic and I believe their road fee aren't mandatory.
Live it, then you'll understand. I'm telling you not just my experience, but everyone I know in the park has the same complaint about HPP roads and the ability of the HPPOA to keep them maintained.
I foresee the paving as a nightmare anyway.
The court ordered the HPPOA to deal with the roads, ONLY. The million bucks a year they collect in fees only half goes to the roads, 137 miles of them in HPP, you do the math. Evidentially they didn't do it very well. Have you vote for one thing then give you something else.
It's already jumped 2 mil from the first promise. Originally is was 10 million to pave ALL the roads. So who telling the TRUTH[?]
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Only paving a relative few of the cross-HPP roads creates consequences beyond just the fact that we are not all getting what was promised. Paving only some of the roads will funnel all the cross-subdivision traffic onto just a few roads, turning them into potential speedways for construction and service traffic. Imagine living on a road which gets paved and suddenly becomes a 60+mph highway with speeding water trucks, contractors moving from one building site to another, building supply trucks, and all manner of other delivery and local traffic getting from one side to the other. Any paved roads near the highway will get used to bypass traffic tie-ups, as one of our roads already has experienced. If they had paved all of the roads this sort of traffic would at least have been dispersed, albeit at much higher speeds than we now see. (Somebody please suggest that local law enforcement will take care of this. I haven't had a really good laugh all week.)
I plan to attend the next board meeting to see what they are cooking up and hopefully to ask some pointed questions about all this.
Cheers,
Jerry
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I received a reply from someone in the HPPOA office today about my comment I posted here at the top of this discussion.
"Aloha,
Thanks david for your inquiry. The paving committee has told us they want to start paving in Spring. The reason it wasn't done in December was because there was a conflict of interest. That is now being taken care of and they are trying to shoot for paving this spring. The roads that I know of that are going to be paved is 1st Makuu - Paradise, 7th, 16th, 22nd (emergency access) Denny Higgins is our new paving
Chair. If you'd like any information he would be the guy to talk to
mailto:dennyhiggins@hawaiiantel.net
As for the grading of the road i am going to forward this message to the road supervisor. If you have any other questions feel free to ask.
- HPPOA STAFF"
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Pohaku if you dont pay they can take your house ( look at the court desion ).
And in the last draft of the loan deal i saw they defered this power to the bank.
I think the people up at the office are trying ,but this is a convoluted situation any place else in the country this would be a function of town goverment( when HPP is built out it would qualify as a city in most states)
Instead we have this half *ssed feudal serfdom. it's amazing the whole thing dosnt just implode.
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Seeb is right about the Association's right to foreclose. At the last full membership meeting it was announced that they are currently foreclosing on properties in arrears of $2,000 or more, and they are trying to lower that to $1,000. They mentioned that several dozen properties were already in legal process with many more to follow. And the whole thing has imploded at least once before, with the Association being placed in legal receivership. That was before my time here, but I think it was in the 90's. Some other forum member probably knows the details on that fiasco.
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I don't live in HPP, but have served on the board of my own neighborhood. I've noticed that there are a lot more people who "know" what to do, than those who will actually try and "do" anything.
I think some of the "experts" should serve on the board, giving them the opportunity to show off their own ineptitude.
As far as the potholed roads off Maku'u, especially in the dead end direction; since they're used mainly by the residents (no through traffic)Why don't you guys bring in a load of cinder and do it yourself? I know you've already payed your fee, but I can think of a few benefits.
1. Physical activity.
2. Bonding with your neighbors.
3. Soothing your car's abused suspension system. and:
4. Helping out the board members instead of only criticizing them.
All your roads aren't going to be paved at the same time, and everyone probably considers themself a priorty. Can't you see what a difficult position this puts the board of directors in?
Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
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