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......Why don't you guys bring in a load of cinder and do it yourself? .....
The cinder "patches" that I have seen used, don't seem to last more then a few days.
After reading the minutes from the August 8, 2007 meeting, it seems that the whole "Paving Committee" seems to be in a bit of disarray.
........The Paving Committee (PC) is responsible for completing the RFP. Bob said that the PC is not qualified. Dennis Higgins agreed with Bob and said that the PC is currently waiting for decisions from the board and Ted Hong before moving forward.............
.......Bob Rainie moved to form a new Paving Committee. Dale Watson seconded. The motion passed unanimously. JoAnne asked if there was a motion to appoint Dennis Higgins as Chair of the PC. Bob Rainie said that wasn’t necessary, she could do it. JoAnne Backman appointed Dennis Higgins as the Chairman of the new Paving Committee. The members are: Frank Annin, Bob Rainie, Dale Watson....
I'm beginning to slowly learn why I dislike politics so much.[:0]
A blog was devoted to this here that gives more info on the situation.
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Greg, I agree that serving on community boards is often thankless and subject to frequently shrill and unfair second guessing. I, for one, am not completely on the sidelines, though. I have attended meetings where I participated in discussion on this and other issues. I don't have any problem with paving those roads determined to be public safety and transportation priorities first. I am no expert, but I do know that it is physically impossible to pave all of them at one fell swoop. It would have to be done in phases.
What seems so objectionable to many of us is the fact that we are being given no assurance that all, or even most of, the roads will EVER be paved. This whole project was authorized on a premise that no longer seems valid. Would 85% of the membership have voted for the plan as it is now unfolding? Maybe, but I doubt it. Is there any HPP resident on this forum who did NOT think they meant to do the whole thing?
Cheers,
Jerry
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HPP Owner Here....The way the ballot was worded...It appeared to me that they meant "all roads". But what I understand now is that this 10-or 12 million loan is just the first phase. HPPOA was approved for up to 21 million.
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I am not a resident, but I have been an HPP owner for 18 years now. I voted against the paving because I figured, based on the past 18 years, that things would turn out about like they seem to be going.
Allen
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Allen
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Originally posted by Greg
I don't live in HPP, but have served on the board of my own neighborhood. I've noticed that there are a lot more people who "know" what to do, than those who will actually try and "do" anything.
I think some of the "experts" should serve on the board, giving them the opportunity to show off their own ineptitude.
As far as the potholed roads off Maku'u, especially in the dead end direction; since they're used mainly by the residents (no through traffic)Why don't you guys bring in a load of cinder and do it yourself? I know you've already payed your fee, but I can think of a few benefits.
1. Physical activity.
2. Bonding with your neighbors.
3. Soothing your car's abused suspension system. and:
4. Helping out the board members instead of only criticizing them.
All your roads aren't going to be paved at the same time, and everyone probably considers them self a priority. Can't you see what a difficult position this puts the board of directors in?
Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
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And I ain't slammin you personally but............
if you don't live here then talking, out the side of you neck doesn't help either.
When YOU, have filled pot holes, and driven YOUR equipment, (like I and friends who have/had backhoes or bobcats) without reimbursement for fuel or maintenance, and picked up trash(and I don't mean paper on the side of the road but towed junk cars, hauled appliances, boats and dead animals)with YOUR truck, THEN you can talk. IMHO
Just owning a lot you don't even work on, from a far, is like me owning a piece of Greenland and arguing on line for a BBQ in whatever property I owned in absentia.
Just cause you own property doesn't mean much. Quite frankly I think non-resident owners, shouldn't even get a vote. An owner doesn't make you a resident neither does paying property tax or road fees.
When I moved into the park in 99, the HPPOA was in or just coming out of court. I think I need to write that Judge a letter. But I'm sick of local politics.
When I used to attend the board meeting they said the loan was "TO PAVE ALL THE ROADS." PERIOD!
What part of all is 1st Makuu, 7th, 16th, and 22nd? A few roads????
I don't know what you call it but my moma would call that a LIE.
As far as them taking my land, HA!, the Bank owns none of it and my attorney is way mo betta than the one they got. If this got into court this all the BS would be aired. They're foreclosing on delinquent off island owners who are like 30 years in arrears. I don't think they're ready to take on any local fight on the issue. They will surely loose.
It's like a merry-go-round only not so merry. They've been going in circles for so long it would be funny if it we're so pathetic. They need to dissolve the HPPOA and force the county to take over. Then maybe we could get some Federal help when the county throws up it's hands in disgust. Or incorporate HPP Township and collect Taxes locally instead of giving them to the county for nothing in return. It ain't rocket science. The big joke is when the EPA comes in 20 years from now and forces them to tear up all the roads to put sewers in.
If they only pave a few "emergency routes?" 1st, 7th, 16th and 22nd they'll become speedways like 28th, but they're aiming for the full PMAR "bedroom" community for Hilo. Forget about the, this supposed to being Agricultural Lots. Can you say Peal City? H4? H5?[:0]
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Gee Pohaku,
To me what you're saying to Greg is:
I'm not slamming you personally but.... unless you're me you no matter!
My suggestion is to try to allow people their opinions without slammin 'em. It's not necessary to slam people you don't agree with. Just disagree, state your position and leave it be. Believe it or not Greg is entitled to his point of view too.
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I am a home owner on 15th street and I too am wondering what is up with the paving project that was approved. Lets face facts, the HPPOA needs to be more forthcoming with some kind of plan. I too thought that the 12 million was to pave ALL the roads. I would not have voted for it otherwise. Why would I vote to have someonelses road paved and not mine? To only pave some roads is not right. If they don't have enough money then at least pave several hundred feet off of each main road on to the cross roads. This would be an equal benefit to all streets that are not paved now. These apron areas are where there are some huge potholes and you can lose your steering as you come off the paved thru roads. The board needs to not lie to us, but give us the facts and if we cant pave all roads then collect more money from the people that live on the road being paved!
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A lot of people are upset about the road situation in HPP, and most of them do not post on Punaweb. Venting here is helpful to some and not always meant as a personal attack. (Lord knows I have used Punaweb to vent a few times. LOL.)
I had a cordial and helpful exchange of emails today with Dennis Higgins, the current chairman of the HPP Paving Committee. Dennis is aware that some property owners feel that the ballot proposition wording meant ALL the roads were to be paved. From attendance at meetings, I already thought that he had nothing to do with its wording or promotion, and he confirmed that. I think he is serving because he has expertise in this area and is willing to help the community sort things out, not because he is politically invested in the process leading up to all this. (Please note that the last sentence consists of MY words and opinions, not his, based on hearing him speak at meetings and the emails he sent me.)
Dennis wisely suggests that those of us who feel strongly about this issue should attend the Board meeting at the Activity Center at 6pm on January 16th. There is also a General Membership meeting in February for which I have not yet found a date. I will post it as soon as I know. I plan to be at both these meetings and ask questions about where all this is going. I hope many of my HPP neighbors will also be there. I may be naive, but I still think we can influence what happens.
Cheers,
Jerry
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I am a resident of paradise park and have lived her for more than 19 years. I also frequent that unusually large pothole on the corner of 5th and paradise- that could easily cause serious damage to your car if your traveling at a speed more than 3 miles per hour! I also cringe when I send the road maintenance fee in annually considering the number of repairs that have been necessary (wheel alignments, bent radials, etc). I don't foresee the roads being paved in the near future but, the grating should be done more regularly without the necessity for irate citizens to have indicate the need for the roads to be done at least every few months, especially after a long stint of rain. If anyone is listening, FIX 5th, 18th, and keep up with the grating. Its ridiculous to pay for a service that does not get done. And another thing, rather than paving all of the side roads has anyone thought of the need for there to be a shoulder for pedestrians to enjoy their walks or jogs? Its like you have to risk your life to try to take a stroll.Whats up with that?
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Aloha kakou! (may there be friendship or love between us, greetings)
Once again, a heated issue has brought forth confrontation.
If you "quote:" a post and then directly address the contents of the post - especially using the pronoun YOU - it becomes a personal exchange and the wording takes on a different tone and meaning in that context.
Generalized statements within a reply to ignore accountability do not ring true.
Because someone is of a different opinion, place of residence, religion, color of skin, culture, nationality, owns a porsche - whatever - does not mean their view is wrong, doesn't count, irrelevant - whatever - just different.
Having said all this I hope I can live by it as well.
'O wau no me ka mahalo, (I am, [yours] respectfully))
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