HPP Grading And Paving

[Menehune]

OOPS!

[Tolleys]

Pahoku,

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"Just cause you own property doesn't mean much. Quite frankly I think non-resident owners, shouldn't even get a vote. An owner doesn't make you a resident neither does paying property tax or road fees."

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First off this is a very emotional subject and hits us all in pocket. [] As you know land owners without a house on it pay much more Hawaii County tax! This is a benifit to the county...

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We were on the mainland for 4 years before moving here in July 2007. Before we moved, we paid attention to what was going on in HPP and voted as if we lived here. Many land owners (presnetly not on island) plan to move to HPP and care about planning, safety and yes roads. Don't generalize.

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I thought HPP was a residential sub-division, not a business zone. Why do you have your "backhoes or bobcats" traveling on the roads? They probably do more damage then the basic family car...


Susan

[Guest]

Tolleys,
specifically.

Our equipment was on the road doing the JOB the we paid HPPOA to do but they don't! You must have missed that point. We are doing their job. And leave it better than it was. Lucky if you got someone on your block to do that for you.

And the being here is about filling in the holes not just talking about it.

How many people will have to die on Paradise dr. before they finish it? Lights? Shoulders? joggers on the road? narrow as they are yes IT IS AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE. How many people do you know that have died in the park on the road?

[mei]

I can see that this road issue is controversial and perhaps has gone beyond the facts and breached into the world of personal. In my opinion, whether or not a person lives in the park does make a difference because they are experiencing the roads and paying for car repair rather than hearing about it. And a question to the last few blogs- is this a personal issue or is it a fact that we all need to join together to manifest change? Actions do speak louder than words.

[Aki]

It is a good idea to attend the next Board meeting in January and the general meeting in February. I attended the Board meeting in December and talked to Dennis briefly after the meeting. I believe the Paving Committee has a good intent to do the most it can with the funds available. Apparently there were six different companies that came to a on-site pre-bid meeting to look at the paving of roads in HPP. This is good news as hopefully there will be a very competitive process on the price for the paving (perhaps the slow down in the economy has actually helped HPP get a better price).

In terms of what roads will be paved in what order, there is no "right" or "wrong" answer to this, only a range of options. From my very brief discussion with Dennis he is acutely aware that it is a difficult issue on deciding what to pave in what order. All we can ask of the Paving Committee members (who all volunteers trying to do the best they can) is that they outline the thinking for setting priorities (including paying attention to the roads costing the most to maintain) and then make a decision.

My wife and I own a lot in HPP but do not live here yet. We are paying close attention to the actions of the Board in how they are handling issues, and yes there are things that in our opinion should be done differently, but we view HPP Board members as good people doing a community service to the best of their abilities. As are the staff members that want to serve HPP residents.

Let's have a little "aloha" spirit in respect of the HPP road paving issue and not make assumptions about ill intent or conspiracies. I see neither from following the paving issue over the last three years or so. Only volunteers trying to do the best they can, seeking the best advice on technical, financial and legal issues where appropriate.

I hope 2008 will see many miles of road paved in HPP and an increase to the good will and community support of HPP residents and non resident owners. HPP is a beautiful place, let's make it a beautiful community where we show respect for each other and provide support to the volunteers and staff that try to make this a better place.

Mahalo, Aki

[Greg]

What I'm curious about is how a road fee moratorium will help pave HPP's roads. I can't see the Association suddenly being able to pave more roads because five, twenty five, or even a hundred residents refuse to pay. I can't see them caving to a few dissenters either.

I mentioned before that I've served on boards of directors. It's been my experience that non profit boards are comprised pretty much of volunteers. They're not in it for the money. Is the HPP board that much different?

I'm serious, and curious; Are HPP elections hotly contested, or is the final tally a comformation of those who volunteer?

I feel this is important because if it's the latter, and a person feels more qualified to serve, they should do so rather than complain.

Don't boards have to work within the framework of the by-laws, which require general election (living here or not) to change?

Good luck with your roads.

Mahalo for allowing me to express my opinion. I welcome yours on any subject.

[mei]

Living in Paradise Park for many years the problem that I see is that nothing changes. I lived on 14th street for 11 years and they were never grated more than 1 time per year. Where is the money going? We are talking about paving yet, we can't even do the grating appropriately. The paving idea is obviously going to pose many problems because for one thing the three main paved roads (Makuu, Paradise, Kaloli) Have not been repaired properly ever.Less than two years ago, there was no visible center line, the potholes were fixed poorly and have since deteriorated. Going to a community association board meeting does not change the fact that roads are poorly maintained nor does it mean that the moneys will be appropriated to fix the problem. As far as the commentaries about people using their own materials and equipment to repair the roads that should be maintained by the road crew- How could one oppose a generous contribution to their fellow residents? I personally am surprised and extremely grateful when a resident does fill in a few potholes on the road. I do however, find it atrocious that it is even necessary for residents and taxpayers to perform this duty.In my opinion, all the planning for paving etc.. would be time better spent fixing what we have now- horrible roads.

[Guest]

I apologize if I upset anyone with my ranting but when decided on HPP over other subdivisions it was my understanding that this was an Agricultural zoned subdivision not a residential one.

It unfortunately is turning into that and the adds fuel to my rant/internal rage. I was also told by the then Manager of HPPOA that the roads were all kept up at least a couple times a year.

Over the years, through the different managers and boards and road crews, those two major factors have been terribly misrepresented, to put it nicely.

So when I read things that in reality bear no effect on the fact that we still aren't getting what we're paying for, I get a little peeved.
Add to it I know it's not going to change anytime soon just multiplies the disdain in anything related to the farce sold to us.

With that being said I'm gonna try not to think about the continuing state of affairs. I'll pay my road fees as I always have but I think I'll wait until the next time they grade my road. Pay after the work is done, if it is,[] not before. Some years the grader didn't even drop the blade on several roads.

"One", of the dirty little secrets of HPP that I'm sure aren't disclosed in sales of homes and lots here as shown by statements on this forum.

[canhle]

What I don't understand is that Leilani collect less road fee but got all of their road paved.

canhle

[Guest]

Leilani doesn't have 137 miles of roads