LOL, mgeary ...
and the emperor has no clothes on, said the bad witch.
If Pele wants to go after me for blashphemy, get ready for Mauna Kea to go off.
As I said, I love mythology to the extent that I've spent much time studying it, but I don't look to it to explain what the volcano might do. I LOVE Glen's writing, and I think that his musings on a whimsical goddess fit this uncertain moment in the eruption quite well.
In answer to the query, no, I'm not that excited to see the lava. I don't take the lava as a show to be seen. I take it very seriously and I'm not that eager to get near it, because this new flow has been changing rapidly. I've been to see lava once and that might be enough for me. Or I might go ... but the traffic sounds like a big headache.
I was curious to those that doubt the Hawaiian Goddess of Pele...
Do you believe in God and Jesus?
Making fun of Pele may seem all good to some people...
But if someone else were to start making fun of Jesus or God...
guarantee some of you might be upset.
I'm not upset... I just wouldn't ever try to insult any cultures cultural beliefs.
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As I said above, all in good fun. If you can't have a little fun, then, well, you can't have a little fun. What I said was that I didn't believe, wasn't a believer, then I poked fun at myself and KathyH. I didn't (and don't) think it was an insult to declare disbelief.
I don't believe that Muhammad is the prophet of God, and I might laugh at a joke about Muslims, but I don't think (the vast majority of) Muslims are anything but good, decent, honest people. I don't believe in the Old Testament God of Judaism, and I might laugh at a Jewish joke, but I don't believe that (most) Jews are anything but good, decent, honest people. I was raised in the Christian faith, but I don't believe in the same God that fundamentalist Baptists believe in. I might laugh at a joke about Christ, and I have, but I don't believe that (most) fundamentalist Baptists are anything other than good, decent, honest people.
Sheesh. As I said, if you can't have a little fun, even religious fun, then, well, you can't have a little fun. Some PUNAWEB people are pretty sensitive, perhaps overly so. There was no offense intended, and if an apology is in order, then I'm sorry I ever tried to apply humor to a religious belief. Some people are able to find humor everywhere they look, even if it's religious humor. I'm one of those people.
Aloha! ;-)
Aloha! ;-)
I know MG that you said that in fun. [  ]
I'm sorry if I sounded a bit harsh... and my statement was not intended to anyone in general.
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Punaweb is fun and I'm sorry I made a subtly serious comment on this topic.[  ]
Carry on [  ]
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A rabbi, a priest, and Bill Clinton walk into a bar....
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Aloha! ;-)
Aloha! ;-)
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Originally posted by KathyH
In answer to the query, no, I'm not that excited to see the lava. I don't take the lava as a show to be seen. I take it very seriously and I'm not that eager to get near it,
Well, now...I don't see the lava as a "show to be seen" any more than I feel that way about looking through a telescope at a supernova or sitting on our lanai watching a beautiful sunset. We have a chance to see something up close and in person that most people will never have. That something is part of the wonder of nature.
I certainly take the risks quite seriously as I do when approaching the ocean and have no intention of doing anything overtly unsafe.
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I'm glad we're finally having a serious discussion about religion.
I'm a dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac;
I stay awake all night wondering if there IS a Dog.
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I took some visiting friends from Oregon out there on Sunday. We arrived at about 12:45p and the police start letting people in at 2:00p. We were about the 20th car and there were 50-75 lined up at around 2:00p, if that gives you an idea of how many people are going to see the flow on a Sunday.
The flow has crossed the road before the older parking lot (the one from before this recent activity). You can see it about 150-200 yards beyond the current trailhead/porta-potty area. You are directed out to the shoreline along a marked trail. The flow was entering the sea as near as 100 yds. away to a point about 1/4 mi. away to the south. The portion that was only 100 yds. away was new since Saturday, I think. There was no sulphur dioxide smell that day. The walk to the shore was about a half mile.
You could see where a previous trail out to the coast was marked... right in the middle of the current area where the lava reaches the sea. So, the entry point changes.
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The July 21 web cam has been moved to the top of Jaggar Museum, looking out at Halema'uma'u. I haven't checked it out after dark, but you should be able to see the glowing hot rocks at the base of the crater. Also, its a good way for folks living near by to keep an eye on plume direction. All the bad vog we were having in Jan/Feb was before this high-gas-content plume developed...
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the is no scenario that I can think of in which, considering the current state of the volcano, and the new gas vent at halemaumau, that it's presence does not herald an impending eruption at the summit of kilauea. in other words... since the volcano went through a couple of years of inflation during which the summit instrumentation showed signs that the volcano was taking on more magma from it's source than it was erupting through the vent on the east rift zone, it is possible that during that time of extreme stress a path to the summit's surface was established that now is marked by gas venting and the evidence that enough heat is present to cause the surrounding rock to glow with incandescence. I get a sense that if the path to the summit's surface is that open then it is only logical that magma will find a way to follow it. I do not think we would have to see all the classic signs, as in a seismic swarm or large changes in tilt, that one would expect to proceed an eruption. this is because there already is the path that would otherwise have to be created. and it is that creation that makes all the 'noise' instrumentally. so, if there is an open path between the summit magma body and the surface of the volcano, I suspect magma will follow it without much prompting at all. just by its nature of expanding and seeking out the lowest pressure it will find its way to the surface. at least that is what, in my limited understanding of the forces involved, I am sensing is happening now. but then hey, I may be just imagining things.. too much time to wander in my brain...
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