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More Hawaii Financial Troubles...
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A friend of mine wants to plant taro all over the place since she says by the time it's ready to eat there will be a lot of folks who will want to eat it. Seems like some of the best advice I've heard in awhile.

We've cut our trips to the grocery store by half if not more. No need to go to the grocery when there isn't anything we are going to be able to buy. Instead of grocery store stuff, we get stuff in bulk from a food co-op, Azure Standard, but shipping doesn't get cheap until you get together with a bunch of folks and ship it over by boat. We've also been augmenting our food supplies with garden stuff. We've been about holding even with inflation until just lately.

The one thing I've been able to grow really well has unfortunately been lima beans and until lately folks weren't interested in them but yesterday someone came and asked for some. We did start the garden last October, though, it takes awhile before you can start eating from a garden so the folks that are already not able to afford food are going to have some more tough times until their garden produces even if they go out and plant a garden today. Here is the link to the University's seed sales page. Their Home Growers Packets are only $1 and they are varieties designed for our climate. http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/seed/ Plant a papaya, once it starts making fruit it keeps doing it for a long time. If you want lima bean seeds, just ask, I've got plenty to share.

We haven't had a loaf of store bought bread in a really long time. It was too expensive back when it was $2 a loaf. A friend yesterday told me flour prices were way up, too, though. We will need to get some more soon, too, and will probably go into sticker shock when we see it. Might have to get a grain mill and grind those lima beans into flour. To make inexpensive bread, though, you need to buy flour in twenty or fifty pound bags and buy yeast in one or two pound packages. Buying five pounds of flour and three yeast packets at a time will not save any money on baking bread.

Folks aren't going to be able to continue to eat the way they have been. No more going to the grocery store for all your food. It will be a change in procedures as well as a change in diet.

I've been thinking of getting a milking goat to share with my neighbors. It is too much work to milk a goat twice a day but if I shared with one neighbor and one of us milked in the morning and the other in the evenings then we would both have milk and only half the work. Share it with two more people and we would only have to milk once every other day. We are also considering asking the County for some vacant land near our village to plant a community garden on. Folks are gonna want to eat whatever we produce even if it is just lima beans.

"I like yard sales," he said. "All true survivalists like yard sales." 
Kurt Wilson
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#12
May be some subdivisions will change their restrictions about allowing chickens on the property.
Hey,Hotzcatz,may be it's a stupid question,but why so far I am hearing only about goat dairy,not cows.
Goat cheese it's something I can eat,probably if I am really starving,trying not to inhale..
Another question-do you make a flat bread?
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Originally posted by james weatherford

it makes it just all too hard to put one's head in the sand, what with all this lava rock?


Then if someone is determined to put his head in the sand,there

is plenty of cinder around...
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#14
So,Carey,is there a real farm cow milk on the framers market?
Here in SD we have a small organic store you can buy a real milk in a glass bottle with real cream on the top and it's affordable.
They charge $1 for the bottle itself and you bring it back when you buy milk.
But,of course,fresh farm milk is much better!
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StillHope,

As the saying goes, 'Don't knock it until you have tried it' about the goat cheese. I really like most goat and sheep cheese. I just do not like the usual price. I grew up with cow's milk cheese and only like the mild kinds, so it is not that I like the stuff that will knock your socks off. Unfortunately, I developed an allergy to anything having to do with cattle and now am limited to goat and sheep cheese. However, I am also not willing to commit myself to the care a milk goat requires, for my sake and the goat's!!

Allen
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#16
Sounds like how I grew up. We had to plant a garden in order to get by. It was a daily contest to see who many meals you can get ou of a dollar and finally we ended up on food stamps for a while. Pizza was a luxury once a month. I have (not so fond) memories of putting cardboard in my shoes to cover up the holes and get a little more wear out of them.
Sounds like Hawaii is going through this now?
Sure seems depressing - I hope I'm just reading this wrong.....
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#17
Allensylves,I did try.That's all I am going to say on the subject,because someone might be eating as we speak..
I am not picky at all,but there are two things I can not "stomach"-goat cheese and lamb.
Well,whatever is wrong with me,the current economy is going to fix me soon.
Here's a nice anecdote on the topic.

The KGB agents are knocking on the door:
- We've been reported that you own a bird that shouting anti-government slogans.Here's a warrant.
They found the parrot in the fridge.The bird shook up and started yelling:
"Long live the government!Long live the KGB!"
The agents left:
-Sorry,must be some kind of a mistake.
The guy made sure that they are gone for good,then went to the kitchen ,opened the fridge door and said to the parrot :
- Sitting there?Good! Cause Siberia fixed even tuffer than you!

P.S. Disclaimer:I've never been to Siberia,but heard that it is pretty cold there.

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#18
My head's not in the sand, but I am with Rob. When the do-do hits the fan, I'd rather be here than just about anywhere else. Got the lime tree, now just need to figure out where the tequila plant can grow! [8D]

Honestly, if you have a skill and a little dirt, you can always trade your skills, and plant a garden. You have to be versatile.

And for some light reading:

Worry is interest paid on things that may never happen.

Be prepared for the worst, hope for the best.

It's never a problem, but always an opportunity.

Luck is when opportunity meets preparation. (I could almost swear this is one John Rabi might live by![Smile])

Anymore that can brighten this sky is falling thread?

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#19
Stillhope or anyone; Please tell me eden roc does'nt restrict chickens. I sure do hope not.

dick wilson
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#20
LOL Eden Roc doesn't restrict anything. Live and let live.
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