More Hawaii Financial Troubles...

[gtill]

Good point Dick, hey even the major yuppie enclaves are allowing clotheslines in the yard. I think it would be good for the communities to realise what's involved in country living.

Keep Puna rural did seem to clash with "ban chickens". Much of that was because of the fighting rooster. That was a local sport, and no place in OUR new homes!

Hey, most of the locals are gone now, mabe it's time to bring back new, more civilised chickens.

NNickle, thanks, didn't know for sure, but that(ban) has been common elsewhere.

[Punamom]

I was doing o.k. with my head in the sand until I went into town and got totally freaked by the vibe.[:0]

Of course the COH blaming EVERYTHING on affluent Haoles doesn't help[!]

I think how many fireworks you hear going off tomorrow will be a very telling indicator about the situation.LOL
Here's hoping for sulfur filled air[:I]

[DickWilson]

Thanks, you put my mind at ease, Was beginning to worry that I would'nt be able keep free-rangers. When you say eden roc does'nt restrict anything thats good news.

dick wilson

[oink]

Some of us remember the recession of the mid 70s. We survived, but I hope it doesn't get that bad. Double digit unemployment! (That kinda sounds like what my parents said about the depression) I was working restaurants on Oahu when it hit. The effect was a little delayed from the mainland but when it did hit there went my job.

Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.

[StillHope]

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Originally posted by Punamom

I think how many fireworks you hear going off tomorrow will be a very telling indicator about the situation.LOL

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You mean how many irresponsible parents out there?
(See 4-th of July thread)

[macuu222]

Getting back on topic....

Things one might consider when financial troubles develop:

1) Drive less or car pool whenever possible...or use the bus if you live near a bus stop. Driving slower saves gas also.

2) Comparative shop. Shop at all 3 or 4 grocery stores and buy only items that are on sale. We go to as many as 8 different places in a day for different items in town. For example...try buying your bread at O'keefe's bakery....their day old bread is $2.00 a loaf or less and its just as good or better than $6.00 bread at safeway ot KTA. Buy items in bulk...but not necessarily at Costco. If you figure the cost of the membership fee and the cost of gas to drive over there and back...you really aren't saving much. You'd be better to shop at Cost You Less in Hilo where there is no membership fee.

3)If you have a hot water heater....put it on a timer for only those times when you actually need it. That saves us almost $50.00 a month on our electric bill. Or just switch the circuit breaker on and off every morning for a couple of hours if you dont have a timer. You don't have to spend $10,000 dollars on a solar water heating system for just a $50.00 a month savings on your electric bill.

4) Start your own garden. Many things can grow here that can reduce your food purchases. Mangos, avacado, pineapple, bananas, mountain apples, lemons and limes, mac nuts, grapefruit, papaya, and coffee are just some of the things that grow year round here and are easy to grow.

5) Use what plants you have on your property instead of spending lots of money on new plants. For example....if you have bananas growing...just take one of the kekei's and transplant it somewhere else. Graft some fruit trees. Take the top crowns off pineapples for every one you harvest and replant them...before long you'll have more pineapples than you know what to do with.

6) You don't have to radically change your lifestyle because things are getting expensive all over. You just have to think before you act.

[JWFITZ]

What, and it's MY job to be optimistic this turn around? LOL

You've got to realize as hard as it is here, the unemployment rate is much lower here than most places on the mainland.

Hawaii is damn near the best place on earth I can think of to weather this, ahem, "downturn." That's why I'm here. There are so many advantages to being here. We forget there's good and bad places to suffer poverty. The central pacific, in spite of being very poor, is one of the best places in the world to be poor, because the climate and ecosystems, at least currently, make up for a lot. Eastern Montana is a miserable place to be poor, and you'll just freeze to death staring at the family you now hate, gladly, having been locked up in a box with them for 6 and a half months in the freezing snow.

So, if handled well, with reasonable expectations and reasonable approaches, and a no BS approach to building real, solid alliances to get yourself through these hard times, well, all and all, I think life can be pretty fine in spite of hardship and for many, surprisingly even better. We're obviously in that social dance at the moment, sorting out who is for real, who we can trust, and who we cannot. The results may surprise us. I think most often we find that ideology isn't near as important as integrity.

Please, let us realize, in spite of it all:

There are rewards that come from human beings striving together in difficult circumstances that simply cannot be duplicated in more comfortable times.

That being said, the learning curve will be steep.

[Dave M]

Hawaii is damn near the best place on earth I can think of to weather this, ahem, "downturn." That's why I'm here. There are so many advantages to being here. We forget there's good and bad places to suffer poverty. The central pacific, in spite of being very poor, is one of the best places in the world to be poor, because the climate and ecosystems, at least currently, make up for a lot. Eastern Montana is a miserable place to be poor, and you'll just freeze to death staring at the family you now hate, gladly, having been locked up in a box with them for 6 and a half months in the freezing snow.

Bingo!! Folks, it's tuff all over.. Our grocery bill has doubled deisel is at $5.00 interest rates are too low, inflation is setting in etc. etc.. on top of that where I'm at we're in a drought. There goes the garden. But I doubt if all this will affect G Bushes 4th..
Kind reminds me of a song I find myself humming lately..


The preacher man says it’s the end of time
And the Mississippi River she’s a goin’ dry
The interest is up and the Stock Markets down
And you only get mugged
If you go down town

I live back in the woods, you see
A woman and the kids, and the dogs and me
I got a shotgun rifle and a 4-wheel drive
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

I can plow a field all day long
I can catch catfish from dusk till dawn
We make our own whiskey and our own smoke too
Ain’t too many things these ole boys can’t do
We grow good ole tomatoes and homemade wine
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

Because you can’t starve us out
And you cant makes us run
Cause we're them‘em old boys raised on shotguns
And we say grace and we say Ma’am
And if you ain’t into that we don’t give a damnWe came from the West Virginia coalmines
And the Rocky Mountains and the and the western skies
And we can skin a buck; we can run a trot-line
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

I had a good friend in New York City
He never called me by my name, just hillbilly
My grandpa taught me how to live off the land
and his taught him to be a businessman
He used to send me pictures of the Broadway nights
And I’d send him some homemade wine

But he was killed by a man with a switchblade knife
For 43 dollars my friend lost his life
Id love to spit some beechnut in that dudes eyes
And shoot him with my old 45
Cause a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

Cause you can’t starve us out and you can’t make us run
Cause one-of- ‘em old boys raisin ole shotgun
And we say grace and we say Ma’am
And if you ain’t into that we don’t give a damn

We’re from North California and south Alabam
And little towns all around this land
And we can skin a buck; we can run a trot-line
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive


Soo.. plant a garden, plant some fruit trees, eat the roosters and kiss the chickens, check your catchment, build a pig trap, maybe learn to use a throw net.. hang tuff.. cuz a Punaman can survive..[:0]



Blessings,
dave

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[Beachboy]

I have a couple of suggestions on the matter of our local down turned economy. I think it's time Puna takes a real grass root approach to making Hemp legal. Plus why don't Punawebbers do a veggie/fruit co-op? With the main theme being trade/barter business umongst us?

"When someone asks you, A penny for your thoughts, and you put your two cents in, what happens to the other penny?"


George Carlin

[Punamom]

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Originally posted by Punamom

I think how many fireworks you hear going off tomorrow will be a very telling indicator about the situation.LOL

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You mean how many irresponsible parents out there?
(See 4-th of July thread)
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Amazing... Stillhope,

you responded to this thread, with something that doesn't even have to do with the topic....

And in a fashion that's attacking another Punaweb Member.

Care to elaborate on who that Parent is your talking about on the "4-th" Thread?

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It is the way... the way it is.
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What am I missing?