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I suspect that there's more to this than what the county officials are saying. Beach Road is a state road. Shipman can't legally close it. It seems that the Shipman's continue to "buy off" the county officials. Remember when Shipman's tried to keep volunteers from clearing the road for hikers and the Shipmans were told that, since it was a public road, Shipmans couldn't not keep them off the road's right of way. It only takes a few minutes for a county policeperson to go to the Shipmans and tell them to open up Beach Road. By the way, I have a problem with HPPA paving a public road. Again, money talks and b****s**** walks.
More cops won't stop crime. Even in places that have a higher cop to citizen ratio, the police merely are there to right the after action report and make a call to the coroners office to have you body hauled off..
You only have one thing in this world and that is your life. It is ultimately your responsibility to protect it.
The 2nd amendment guarantees your right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
And the 14th amendment went further to say that states can not take away your rights and privileges.
You have to understand that criminals and murderers are never going to obey laws.
If a criminal ignores our ban on stealing and murdering then you certainly should not expect him to obey a gun ban. That is the very reason we call them criminals.
Only innocent law abiding people heed gun bans and that just makes them easy prey for the criminal.
Gun bans are a de Facto bill of rights for the homicidal maniac, they insure that he has carte blanc to slaughter all the unarmed people he wants
It would seem that the green harvest debacle has directly caused crime to go up as dope heads switched from grass to meth.
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Nah, Snap. It's cultural. People abide by laws in other countries and in certain locales within this country. A greater police presence would absolutely deter larceny.
In fact, it is shown that an enforcement on small issues endgenders compliance on larger issues.
This has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment, which our Supreme Court has ruled guarantees the right of indiviudals to "bear arms". Most crimes in our area are NOT violent crimes. Most crimes in our area are crimes of larceny, environmental crimes, or domestic violence (fists).
And those crimes that do involve a gun usually take place through surprise. There is no time to reach for a gun to defend yourself.
The whole notion that we should not and cannot depend on our government to enforce the laws makes me puke. This is nonsense promulgated mostly by those who simply wish there to be no government because it is standing in the way of free enterprise.
Reagan was wrong. We (the people, the Government) are not the problem. Believing that we would all be better off with no government (police, fire, education...) is the problem.
That is never more true than in Hawaii where there is an opportunity still to save paradise.
Glen,
Yep it is true that good police policy and enforcement can make a big diff. Rudy Giulliani proved that in NYC.
But my point is that you should do for your self.
If you want the government to feed you, you'll go hungry
If you want the government to heal you, you'll be sick
If you want the government to protect you, you'll live in fear.
If you take responsibility in all matters, Health, nutrition, Exercise and your own defense, you'll be invigorated with health, safety and a great feeling of accomplishment.
Many times everyday people defend themselves from criminals.
Who are we to take that right to defend your self away.
Just as there are millions of people that raise their own health food, exercise vigorously and want not for health care or welfare.
There are also folks that consume crap like donuts, chips, cokes, tobacco, drugs and booze, sit own their fat lazy butts and they want you to share their enormous health care cost.
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Yes, but there are certain things that are best done collectively, by spreading the burdens and the benefits around. One of these is police protection. We can't move to a system where it is every man for himself. We need a cultural commitment to reducing crime first by condemning it strongly as a society (intense social pressure) and secondly by having lots of police and making their priority crimes against people and property, and not crimes perpetrated by drug runners and addicts.
You can't reduce larceny with a gun. You go to the beach, they break in your house and they steal your gun, too.
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You can't reduce larceny with a gun. You go to the beach, they break in your house and they steal your gun, too.
true, Glen. One property we looked at to buy, we asked about break-ins, and the only incident had been to steal his gun. That was it, all that was taken. If people know you have a gun, then your house is one of the places worth breaking into.
To date, knock on wood, no one has broken into my house or threatened me in any way on this island. However, our cars got rifled one night. So we had cars unlocked in the driveway for over a year, and one night they got hit. From then on we locked the cars and took our stuff in at night. No further problems.
Oh yeah, the police took a report -- so that we could file an insurance claim if worth it (wasn't). Later, when a semi-vacant house in the neighborhood got broken into, the police did come around investigating, much more involved than with the cars. Which makes sense. (This was in Hilo, but not that different in attitude from my experience, even if they have more numbers).
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It is fairly common in some areas for both incorporated and unincorporated areas to hire contract police. These are certified officers that are part of the police department but financed by the specific community. By contract they patrol that area only (obviously with emergency exceptions). That could be an option for areas like HPP. I would be willing to pay my fair share. I would want to be assured that after agreeing to the contract that the regular police complement wouldn't be reduced. It would be in addition to the normal police complement. Is this option available?
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
Hey, I am onboard with the police and will always indeavor to assist them.
It is most often the case that they will want to ask you if you seen or heard anythng when the crime went down. Because as in 99.999999999% of crimes they were some where else.
Infact, did you know that being a cop is not even in the top ten most dangerous jobs?
As far as stealing guns. If you are not using it or carrying it for protection it should be in either a safe or a very very hard place to find.
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very very hard place to find
On the kitchen counter, under a newspaper?
Pua`a
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Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
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Duct tape it to your back like Bruce Willis in "Die Hard".
Yippy yi yo ki yeah, motor scooter!
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