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#21
And this in the California tv news this evening a smaller bank in Pasadena I believe they called it Indy Mac just failed, people lined up all day to try and get their money. (looked like a scene out of the Great Depression) FDIC officials there helping people fill out paperwork, basically telling them if they had more the 100K in deposits they are out of luck, anything over that and they will only get maybe if they are lucky 50 cents on the dollar. Wow Freddy Mac, Fanny Mae, and now the first of the banks. Now I hate to be an alarmist but me thinks the economy is tanking, cried chicken little [Sad]
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#22
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If you want a reality check, go to your banking institution and try to take out a really large chunk of cash. Say more than five grand and less than ten so you don't have to fill out the Federal paperwork. Betcha they will do everything except handstands to talk you out of the idea. I'd give you about a fifty percent chance they will let you have the cash on the spot, more than likely they will tell you to come back the next day.

While I'm not saying you're wrong, Hotzcatz, this is not really new. I worked at a bank in the late 80's and people had to order large withdrawals the day prior. The reason was not that the bank wasn't solvent.

Banks are regulated to have only so much CASH on hand at any one time. The primary reason for this is bank robbery. If a bank takes in a large amount of cash that puts it over its limit, it has a certain amount of time to ship it out by armored truck. Likewise, the money has to be ordered by armored truck ...

Banks are constantly sending away and receiving cash to abide by the regulations.
Anyway, if on any one day, too much money is withdrawn, the bank may be short of cash to serve everyone's needs for that day -- the working cash. The working cash on hand and the banks' assets are very different.

Any bank that needs to stall you on 10K due to its ASSETS being short, would be a worry.

That said, we should have learned from the past that one way to make a bank fail that would not otherwise fail is for the public to make a run on the bank and force it to liquidate everything.
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#23
I took out $8000.00 recently, no questions asked.

I was buying a used car and they only would accept cash.[Wink]

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#24
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Originally posted by LaurelJ

Indy Mac just failed, people lined up all day to try and get their money. (looked like a scene out of the Great Depression) FDIC officials there helping people fill out paperwork, basically telling them if they had more the 100K in deposits they are out of luck,

I wonder if these are the same depositors who were singing the praises of IndyMac because they were getting above average rates on their deposits all the while ignoring the extremely risky mortgage loans the bank was making in order to give depositors those high rates?

Wasn’t there mention awhile back on this forum about using them if other banks were saying no to a loan?
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#25
We got a land loan thru IndyMac in '05. We paid it off, so we're no longer dealing with them. Just out of curiosity, anyone know what will happen with loans held by IndyMac.

btw, I wouldn't say it was a high risk loan; it was 20% down, they did a full appraisal that was accurate, they did documentation, and the interest rate was 9% at a time home loans were quite a bit lower rate. I mean, it wasn't some unrealistic teaser rate. It did have a balloon payment though, because it was a 5 year loan.
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#26
Good point.

Is there such a thing as an innocent bystander?
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#27
Looks like those nasty October crashes are a relic of the 20th century. and I guess because of the instantaneous communication today we suffer tortuous lingering declines. 20 years ago all us losers used to hang out at the Schwab office downtown sit around fixate on the ticker crawling on the wall and queue up for individual quotes on the quotron. One of the regulars told me he pulled quotes at home on a pc and I went "Wow how do you do that?"

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#28
Bob, probably they were the same depositors, isn't there always someone waiting to make a quick buck off someones elses misfortune. And also the news piece did say what made IndyMac fail was all their subprime mortages. Not sure what exactly happens to those loans that are still outstanding I'm thinking the Fed probably divies them out to other banks. Hmmm guess I might do some research to confirm or deny this.
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#29
"...If you want a reality check, go to your banking institution and try to take out a really large chunk of cash. ..."
Not in my case. I took out $250,000.00. No grumbling, no questions, no IRS "form" to fill out.
"... Many investors will buy a stock when the real or current value is way below the "book value". ..."
This and Price/Earnings ratio - which is still relatively high (even at a DJIA of 10800). You're correct there is plenty more downside potential in this market.
"... Not sure what exactly happens to those loans that are still outstanding ..."
No doubt some were purchased by Freddie. THAT sistuation is gonna take years to sort out...
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#30
This is the Matt Simmons segment I was looking for. Maybe this is the real y2k???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1_iSKWGewE

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James Cramer
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