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History of the making of Puna's subdivisions
#21
I'm glad the post started a good discussion on the past, present, and future!
Pilgrim, wow, that sounds like quite a place you lived.

I too have lived in mainland places that were far from services. It didn't bother me when I was younger and never thought twice about emergencies.

One thing I've never seen apart from Puna is the configuration of one road out of an area with such a huge number of lots. I've lived up ridge roads that were bottlenecks and a bit scary if there were ever a forest fire. But there weren't that many parcels.

One thing to remember (all you oldtimers will) is that in the 60's the Chain of Craters road connected through Kalapana. Not an ideal route as it took you up through the VNP, but better than nothing. Still, they should have created another route connecting to Hilo. Perhaps Shipman blocked the coastal route; I don't remember reading anything about an attempt to make another road, but I could have missed it.

btw, the book is great for the whole state ... how Kihei became what it was, the mass relocation of villages on Kaua'i to make way for high end development, Oahu's issues, and not to miss an entire chapter on Da Syndicate and the role of organized crime. (I mean organized crime other than our elected officials.) [Wink]
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#22
Very interesting post, but looks to me like it's history repeating itself. Oceanfront lots on Antactica anyone? Looks like Puna is still experiencing growing pains.

Side question: what makes someone a "large landowner" in Hawaii? 10 acres, 30,50,1000?
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#23
I think people are forgetting the biggest reason that Puna has been less developed than other parts of the state. PELE. Look at a map of lava flows over the last hundred years. In the unlikely case of "buildout" I think Pele may have her own (re)development plan.

The last thirty years the eruption has been confined to (mostly) the park and people forget the relentless progress of the lava on human habitats. History shows us that this phase is long, but not permanent.

I'm still in favor of the residents here having a say in development, but I'm not worried about Puna becoming another Waianae in the long run.

Hualalai, by the way, is going to eventually have a greater influence on Kona's future than any developers.
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#24
Punamom had a couple good questions:

What exactly in the PCDP is going to prevent the 40,000 lots from being built upon?

What in the PCDP is going to prevent the current large landholders from developing their properties?


I only have time this morning to answer the first one. There will be a new PCDP forum up soon and the second one can get addressed. I actually don't want to have to be Mr. PCDP Answerman. So others will have to get involved and actually do some homework. Then we can debate interpretations.

Back to that first question:

What exactly in the PCDP is going to prevent the 40,000 lots from being built upon?

Answer: Nothing. We are unaware of any valid mechanism in the United States to prevent the owners of these properties from building on their land as long as they adhere to the same process (permits) and rules (building codes) as everyone else. All we can do is try to shape the course of development (plan).

More later perhaps. Good morning everyone....

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#25
Thank you, Greg, for offering the broader perspective and pointing out the ultimate limiting factor for development in Puna and Kona. (And don't forget that Mauna Loa is overdue and can reach Hilo, parts of Kona, and most of Kau.) If Madame doesn't like what we do, she has the means for making a "correction."

Cheers,
Jerry
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#26
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Originally posted by Punamom...As JWFITZ said the PCDP is a droll document and I would bet that hardly anyone in puna has even read it...


Hey I did or at least various draft versions!! It definately isnt ready for a made for TV movie but in the work I do it was "interesting".

I suggest you take a portion and read a small section till you have read the whole thing. Maybe one or two can make a copy and pass it around? Rob, does the library have a copy?

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#27
I believe that all libraries in Puna have a copy.

The Final Draft can also be downloaded in PDF format from:

http://www.hcrc.info/community-planning/...lans/puna/

Or

You can obtain a hard copy from the CoH Department of Planning ($10). call 961-8288

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#28
On hind site I'm deleting my previous post.

I would like to express a thank you to all the PCDP folks who care so much about our community.
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#29
i read 'land and power' some years ago...and even though it left a bad taste in my mouth i always looked at those subdivisions in puna as at least a last great hope for locals to own a first home for cheap and then move on....but now even that one hope is dashed by all the mainland influx and speculative building that has pushed even that dream out of reach for locals....thanks oprah...
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#30

Why does everyone keep blaming Oprah for the Big Islands development problems.

Someone/Somewhere show me that Oprah had anything to do with this? [?]


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