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The End of Universal Health Care for Children
#31
There was a time when a man's pride would preclude him from excepting something for "free" But now days, if you stand on the street corner handing out 100 dollar bills, don't be too surprised if people take them, even those that have plenty, especially, if they can easily rationalize that they are then ones that are really funding the give away. You can't blame them for wanting some of there hard earned corn back.

Folks, there has to be a way we can have low cost cash clinics. But every one must pay for the services they receive, else it is a give away and that will create waste and abuse.

Private insurance has driven the price way out of whack.

I took one of my employees to a clinic and one of the things the clinic did was put an ice pack on the girls elbow. No, it was not a zip-lock bag of ice wrapped in a towel, it was a chemical reactive super duper $100.00 dollar one time use cold pack.

I thought that was insane! But it goes to show you why medical care is so much more expensive than it need be. You can get a 100 count bottle of aspirin at the dollar store for a buck. If you had that bottle of aspirin administered in a hospital they charge 10 bucks per pill. It just goes on and on. Every thing they do is crazy.


Don't you think if they can bend you over like that just with aspirin and ice-packs that they are really gouging you on everything else?

I do realize that we need medical care, but it should be user pay and it can be and should be affordable.

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#32
I am reminded of some of my experiences with Habitat for Humanity, a program I worked with for twelve years.

On one hand I learned a lot about the situations of people in need. The human condition has endless variety of difficulties. The cases of abuse and fraud occasionally occur and get lots of attention. The rest, the large majority, suffer honestly and quietly.

On the other hand I had become somewhat jaded on the topic of human generosity. All I saw of the youth on the news was crime and indulgence. Then I got to meet and enjoy groups of volunteers - especially teenagers... the ones who don't make the news and turn out to help with good spirit and aloha.

It is important to look beyond the obvious to appreciate the whole.

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#33
i actually spend half the year next to the Canadian border and talk to many Canadians...and NONE I've talked to want anything to do with our health system ...in fact...they convinced me theirs is better...i used to think the same way that their system sucked..
as in any health system the richest can go anywhere for medical care...like some americans fly to switezerland etc...the test though is that the overwhelming majority like their system better than ours...
and they pay half as much to boot!!!
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#34
Canada probably does take good care of their productive age citizens because they submit taxes. But if you're retired on pension or whatever, remember the cries for euthanasia. My aunt was diagagnosed with stomach cancer, and scheduled for treatment inc CAT
but she died in 6 weeks. She was retired for 1 year, they saved a pile on pension pmyts. A very familiar story, undeclared euthanasia.
Gordon J Tilley
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#35
Most Canadians which are not Hawaiian actually like the Canadian system until they need to access it beyond check ups and routine treatment. That's when they can call on Timely Medical http://timelymedical.ca/ and they see through the BS.

Our system in Hawaii is great, if you have tons of jack or good insurance or indigent or an illegal alien.

gtill's point is true. Here is an artical about non-consent euthanasia in the U.K. ( which is the birth place of Capt. Cook)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2006/j...andhealth1

There is a reason insurance premiums are lower for young Hawaiians, they are healthier on average than a retired Hawaiians.




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#36
It never ceases to amaze me, reading some of your posts! Yes, there are people that abuse the systems, that happens in all aspects of life. There was an excellent series that ran in West Hawaii Today, May 7-12 2006 if you are interested you can pull up the archives and read the rest, I am only posting 3 of the articles.

(http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/articles/...ocal02.prt) (http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/articles/...ocal03.prt)


Can you imagine what it is like now, with the downturn of the economy. The director of the Kona Food Bank when we lived there, said at that time, it was many middle class families coming in for help with food because they couldn't make ends meet! The East Side of the Island is worse, if you are LUCKY to find work, most jobs are paying minimum wage, or employers are only looking for part time help, that way they do not have to pay benefits.

So certain people abuse the system, do you blame them! My understanding of certain posts is you expect people who are barely making it, to pay for their own health care.

The system needs to change, create jobs, where people make a decent living wage, then maybe they will have pride in what they do, and offer affordable housing, then perhaps attitudes will change.

(http://www.cwla.org/advocacy/statefactsh...rage.shtml) (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/health...ml?emc=tnt&tntemail1=y)

If you can read these articles and still say that programs like Hawaii's Universal Health Care for Children is not needed, then I am sorry, you have tarred everyone with the same brush, not understanding the hardship many families are going through, again it is the children who lose!
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#37
Sorry but this is the problem with agriculture as a diversified field. It puts full time workers at 12$ per hr with no OO benefits, even if the business is a well off corporation. No health care no SSI, no unemployment. How does a family make it on 24K if this becomes the prevalent scale as proposed. This is what brings in unions. And that's just the full timers who are probably few.

Remember corporate owners are not subject to any liability from their own pockets, castles etc.
Gordon J Tilley
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#38
I'm curious.

If a child was being covered by this insurance program for a "terminal/lifelong problem" that would need treatment for their entire life...

Does their coverage also get dropped???


And just a general insurance question for anyone who might be able to answer:

If you start a treatment program with say a dentist... and the dentist says that the entire procedure will take 2-3 months to finish the procedure.... If your insurance ends for one reason or another 1 month into the procedure... does the insurance cover the entire procedure?

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