Pahoa's Island Trust Realty Broken Into!

[Guest]

Fitz-

Like the idea... hate the concept.

I'm not a big fan of having government surveillance of EVERYONE to catch a few.

[JerryCarr]

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Originally posted by EightFingers

"... This may upset soem folks but it is acceptable for locals to rip off houlies to feed their families. ..."

Interesting.

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While I would not say that this mindset never comes into play, I don't think criminals usually take the time for such philosphical considerations. Many crimes are crimes of opportunity with little or no planning. In those instances where planning is involved, the usual consideration is where the pickings are the best and easiest to get at. In our local area this might often be the homes of the well-to-do (vacation or otherwise) and successful businesses. The fact that the homes are often owned by haoles is probably a coincidental economic reality vs. a burglar's racial philosophy. In the case of businesses, they are quite often, if not most of the time, owned by "locals."

At the recent HPP Neighborhood Watch meeting, we learned that burglary and theft were significantly down in HPP during December, despite the economy and holiday greed. The crimes reported were once again preponderantly near the shoreline. The fact that these homes are mostly owned by haoles does not necessarily reflect racial consideration since "that's where the money is." In the past two years, the burglaries I have had personal knowledge of in my central district of HPP have nearly all been at homes inhabited by "locals."

BTW, kudos to Glen for sending current and past guests at his home to the Watch meeting. It was a pleasure to meet them, and they contributed to the discussion.

Cheers,
Jerry

[Dave M]

Suppose one gets a cheap used Caravan or some such. The more generic the vehicle the better. Suppose on sticks a dozen or so web cams in it, running to a laptop with an air card and a separate small battery bank. The web cam images are streamed then in real time to a public website. Volunteers monitor the web cab and report incidents as they're visible. You park the van down town Pahoa or where ever. Move it around as need be.
You may have hit a homer here, in fact IT MAY GO ALL THE WAY!!!

Sounds like a winner except for the fact that it wont work. What keeps the bad guys from putting a sack on their head and walking up to your van and ripping it off? OR what about all the people that have cars parked around town and get their windows spray painted black by the same guy with the bag on his head. Security patrol (un armed) that's the best idea yet..

Blessings,
dave

"It doesn't mean that much to me.. to mean that much to you." Neil Young

[JWFITZ]

I agree with those concerns, Damon. This is why I'd like to see the van and the feed-web site owned by private individuals who have the ability to shut the thing off once the issue is taken care of.

Dave, it may well take all of the above. The main issue is something is done and soon or Pahoa may start to look a lot like Guatemala City.

[roseroo14]

JWFITZ wrote:

It is important as a deterrent to make a life of crime as full of paranoia and fear as one of a honest citizen. If it gets about that any random parked car may be taking picture of you anywhere any time it will modify some behavior for certain.

This is a given and so true. Another thing that this idea has working for it is that if a surveillance vehicle is spotted it will send the perp to another area. Now if the surveillance equipment were removed and put into a different vehicle and the spotted one was just moved around the criminal would stay out of the vicinity of the spotted one for fear of be taped, not knowing that the equipment had bbeen removed. This is a deterrent in itself and a very cheap way of protecting business establishments. The new surveillance vehicle now has a better chance of catching the perp on tape during his/her crime in a different area. I like it and we have so many people out there that would volunteer their high tech ability to set it up.

The Lack

[JWFITZ]

Agreed. I've some batteries and an inexpensive inverter to donate to the project. Anyone have a cheap laptop or a domain for a site to donate?

[Rob Tucker]

Sounds rather weak to me.

If such a vehicle can film effectively for 100' at night without lighting in a 360 degree range you will, for the expense and effort, be covering an effective area not much larger than a postage stamp. Bear in mind there are already video cameras in use with obvious limited effectiveness. Then if you are so fortunate to film a crime at night you will have to identify the perp, usually in the dark, and identify them postively.

You will also have to spend endless hours monitoring the video. It is like looking for a needle in a hay stack at night with sunglasses on.

Good luck. Sounds like fun.

[Dave M]

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Originally posted by JerryCarr

[quote]Originally posted by EightFingers

"... This may upset soem folks but it is acceptable for locals to rip off houlies to feed their families. ..."

Interesting.

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While I would not say that this mindset never comes into play, I don't think criminals usually take the time for such philosphical considerations. Many crimes are crimes of opportunity with little or no planning. In those instances where planning is involved, the usual consideration is where the pickings are the best and easiest to get at. In our local area this might often be the homes of the well-to-do (vacation or otherwise) and successful businesses. The fact that the homes are often owned by haoles is probably a coincidental economic reality vs. a burglar's racial philosophy. In the case of businesses, they are quite often, if not most of the time, owned by "locals."

At the recent HPP Neighborhood Watch meeting, we learned that burglary and theft were significantly down in HPP during December, despite the economy and holiday greed. The crimes reported were once again preponderantly near the shoreline. The fact that these homes are mostly owned by haoles does not necessarily reflect racial consideration since "that's where the money is." In the past two years, the burglaries I have had personal knowledge of in my central district of HPP have nearly all been at homes inhabited by "locals."

BTW, kudos to Glen for sending current and past guests at his home to the Watch meeting. It was a pleasure to meet them, and they contributed to the discussion.

Sorry Jerry, The ""locals to rip off houlies to feed their families. ..."" was more of a side note as opposed to being contribltable to the current problems. I did say and do believe:

Not that we won't see these types of incedents on the rise. Sorry but it sounds more like a group of tweekers. Tweekers think that the world is their play ground after 12pm. Thus you see crimes of opportunity such as these, late at nightand some what petty. I know, it's not petty when you're on the Ruedogg/Island trust realty side of it.

My thoughts on the houlie comment were followed by "If the economic situation gets real bad"




Blessings,
dave

"It doesn't mean that much to me.. to mean that much to you." Neil Young

[Dave M]

The main issue is something is done and soon or Pahoa may start to look a lot like Guatemala City.

Agreed, and the more people that take up the cause the better. As well I agree that it may take several different lines of attack. But proactive is always better than reactive. Thus again I say we shoot Damon on site [] Oh cmon it's funny..

Blessings,
dave

"It doesn't mean that much to me.. to mean that much to you." Neil Young

[Guest]

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Originally posted by Rob Tucker

Sounds rather weak to me.

If such a vehicle can film effectively for 100' at night without lighting in a 360 degree range you will, for the expense and effort, be covering an effective area not much larger than a postage stamp. Bear in mind there are already video cameras in use with obvious limited effectiveness. Then if you are so fortunate to film a crime at night you will have to identify the perp, usually in the dark, and identify them postively.

You will also have to spend endless hours monitoring the video. It is like looking for a needle in a hay stack at night with sunglasses on.

Good luck. Sounds like fun.

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For under $50,000 I believe I could have about 10 cameras set up to monitor from the Post Office to Pauls Service Station. With today's technology, those cameras could be good enough to at least view images in the dark.

You could set these cameras up to stream on a popular puna site "say punaweb".

Have 4 viewing windows available where users could switch to whatever camera one wanted to view during whatever time you wanted to view it.

Putting the town on notice that there could be some X number of Punawebbers that could possibly be viewing you at some time or another if you were to commit a crime in town could be a real deterrent.

I have never witnessed a crime on this live camera in Waikiki. With the world watching... who would?