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Pitbull ban in Hawaii
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01-28-2009, 09:23 AM
I get the feeling the the bill to ban pit bulls, like the HPP township bill, is about some politicians making (or scoring) points. Neither has much of a chance of passing into law.
Cheers, Jerry
01-28-2009, 09:27 AM
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01-28-2009, 09:48 AM
Rob- which breeds of cats are illegal in Hawaii? Ordinary domestic cat breeds? I did not realize there were any restrictions on cat breeds in Hawaii. Damon- I know you were just funning around by asking why anyone would pretend to own a cat, but the upsurge in problems with rat lungworm disease in Puna are a solidly good reason: to control rats on one's property. Eliminating rats is probably the single best defense in reducing overall hazard of eosinophilic meningitis from rat lungworm. Probably a good reason to tolerate little hyperactive yipper dogs, too, if the yippers are good dedicated ratters. Jade- if a dog (of whatever breed) is trespassing onto peoples' property and attacking livestock &/or presenting a clear and present danger to children, then it sure seems to me like it would be well within legal right and reasonable conscience to deal with such a dog --quietly, permanently, and without a bunch of fuss-- as feral and a threat. Beachboy- since I have had the pleasure of knowing some total love-sponge pit bulls which were just excellent with kids, I'd agree it is not really the breed (even acknowledging breed traits as quite real), per se, but rather how well the dogs are trained and maintained that usually makes all the difference. "Usually," as a caveat, because I have been told by two different gen-u-ine dog experts that dobermans, as a breed, in recent decades often suffer from a flaw in their genetics due to misguided breeding practices: the skull is too small to accommodate the adult dog's brain. In consequence, individual dobermans with this trait which is all too common in the breed tend to suffer chronic migraine headaches and can behave erractically or even "snap" behaviorally due to pain. Personally, I am with MarkP on this issue: recognizing breeds have carefully cultivated traits (which can be assets or liabilities, depending on training and maintenance) lets place the emphasis on holding owners responsible. Moreover, it seems to me that parents, farmers, and property owners also need to be responsible in those roles: if a dangerous dog is running loose and trespassing onto private property to attack livestock and menace children then it would be irresponsible, imho, to take no effective action to eliminate such feral marauders. We are evaluating different breeds of dogs at the moment for our place in Puna and so far are leaning toward Australian cattle dogs. If anyone in Puna has experience with how Australian cattle dogs hold up in the wet and other conditions common to Puna then I'd appreciate hearing of your experience. If anyone in Puna has a breeding pair of Australian cattle dogs of proven good temperament and intelligence then I'd especially like to be in contact with you if puppies are expected sometime later this year or early next year. I am still receiving failure messages when I attempt to use Punaweb to send out a personal message, so if you want to PM me then please use AlaskaSteven@yahoo.com to contact me. Thanks! )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( A pleasant slideshow: http://www.thejoymovie.com )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'(
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01-28-2009, 09:56 AM
Having now read the article, it states that the drafting legislator expects the bill to be low priority due to the economy, but it could lead to discussion of toughening the leash laws.
quote:CDC study of breed-related fatalities and injuries over 20 years: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf Seems like a reasonably balanced study that addresses its methodology and doesn't come down real hard one side or the other, but it has some statistics that can doubtless be used by either side of the issue. {quote]it sure seems to me like it would be well within legal right and reasonable conscience to deal with such a dog --quietly, permanently, and without a bunch of fuss-- as feral and a threat. [/quote] Not so under Hawai'i law. It is currently illegal to kill a pet (misdemeanor, I think). It is legal to trap a pet and turn it over to the Humane Society. It is not legal to kill ferals either. Nor can the definition of feral be applied to an owned animal. Wild and vicious are not the same. Try telling an owner who trains his dogs to attack that it was within your right to dispose of his animal. Then flee the neighborhood!
01-28-2009, 10:13 AM
(Strange dog in my yard and it looks like it is going to attack... dead dog.)
I understand where you are coming from. The problem with this is you kill their dog then they will come after you (trust me they will). Either way your screwed. Who wants to live on an island always looking over your back. Right now it's the tick tock method. I can see it now. Tick tock, tick tock That cute little girl with the long brown hair continues to play with her best friend near the road. Tick tock, tick tock They like to skip and play hopscotch Tick tock, tick tock, Until tomorrows headlines: Girl 6, Killed by Pitbulls Athorities knew about the problem but did nothing. I feel like it should be a crime for waiting until something happens.
01-28-2009, 10:21 AM
It certainly is not just a pit bull problem when it comes to dogs attacking people or creating havock in any other way. It's easy to blame the breeds "known" for this such as pit bulls and rottweilers.
Many breeds have been known to attack people and so although we all can recognize that certain aspects of aggression are found more so in some breeds, it definitaly has more to do with an owner than the dog. How in the world can you be sure any dog at all no matter the size or breed won't bite or sttackk while roaming free on the streets? You can't... And so I'm puzzled as to how banning pit bulls would solve the underlying problem? ~ Rachael
~ Rachael
01-28-2009, 10:24 AM
I know some pitbulls that are lap dogs and wouldn't hurt anybody. The problem is the owners. They can train a pitbull to KILL. Dogs bite but mostly you have a fair change of getting away. The pitbull locks its jaws and you can't get loose.
01-28-2009, 10:28 AM
You can live in fear one way or the other. But dogs are not going to be outlawed in Hawaii...
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01-28-2009, 10:28 AM
There have been extensive Punaweb discussions on Pit Bulls before. A lot of this is repeating - which is fine if you want to re plow the same turf.
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01-28-2009, 10:33 AM
That is what most debates are, repeating the same data over and over looking for that small nugget that was missed.
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