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My comment was about the current law... not how some want to change it.
The law "DOES" recognize sexual relations as a mandate in marriage... this is based in the definition of the legal term "marriage"
My only problem with whole marriage thing is that some are trying to redefine the legal term, not change the law.
Is the next redefinition to be to change adult to 12 years old, so people can marry 12 year olds?
Repeal all laws pertaining to "Marriage", Pull it out of the government control. Its a social thing anyway. But don't whine when some company wont recognize your "partner", so they can get cheap insurance... remember its a choice... all the way around...
Oh and lets keep up here...
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imo, we've been well received by people from this forum and have attended just two social events. whether or not we are being judged or accepted isn't/hasn't been voiced out loud. if it's behind our backs, oh well. ed & ralph, welcome to the 'ohana--no judgements from us.
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"...But don't whine when some company wont recognize your "partner", so they can get cheap insurance... remember its a choice... all the way around..."
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jon: when was the last time you applied for health insurance? it's definitely not cheap!
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I worked for a corporation for thirty years. My medical insurance was always a part of my compensation. I have no children, so I was a low cost employee in this regard. Another married employee may have had six children and cost the company a lot more for insurance. When you say "But don't whine when some company wont recognize your "partner", so they can get cheap insurance... remember its a choice... all the way around..." my hair bristles. My relationship was a choice, the same as any other coupling is a choice. Don't you think I should receive the same benefits from my choice as my co-worker does from his?
Just another thought Jon: When you fill out a form, insurance, mortgage application or what ever, how do you check the boxes that ask "Single, Married or Divorced?" I have always had to mark "single" when in fact I have not been single for more than 21 years. For this short window of time, however, I can mark "married" in California. This may not mean a lot to you, but it does to us. That is really the point.
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon
My comment was about the current law... not how some want to change it.
The law "DOES" recognize sexual relations as a mandate in marriage... this is based in the definition of the legal term "marriage"
Buzzzz, Sorry
Wrong answer.
Nowhere in Hawaii’s Constitution, or Hawaii’s Revised Statutes, or Hawaii’s Administrative Code, or Hawaii’s Department of Health Regulations does it
Mandate or
Require or even
Mentions that a
sexual relationship is
REQUIRED or
MUST OCCUR in marriage.
That is popular (wishful) thinking by MALES and shows the complete lack of common sense reasoning and miniscule gray matter in this issue based only on a fear of "gays" and a need to elevate ones own inadequate manhood by claiming opposite sex sexual relationship is what marriage is all about. Is all marriage means to some is getting a piece of tail? Where did love, commitment, togetherness go?
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Those forms are not government forms, they are private business forms. Insurance from your employer should be considered part of your pay... except in Hawaii where the Government has mandated it and messed up the system. Insurance for anyone other then the employee should be part of the negotiation at the time you hire on.
Insurance is another thing that should be pulled out of government control, let them regulated the industry but not mandate anything to the end user. It should also be pulled away from the employers, the overhead cost to much and if they just gave you the money in your pay, you could get a better deal every time.
A little more on forms...
how do you think I feel when I have to chose White or Caucasian when I am a mix of just about everything. These are thing that should not be asked on any Government form... or sex or if your married or not. All this information is used for is to fire the hate between groups. Stop collecting it and no one will know who to hate.
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one could not get a better deal every time, jon. group health insurance costs are lower than individual coverage--most of the time. and, the premiums are higher if you are a female.
a little more on the forms: how about checking "other" for race? how about the census or tax forms? ed still has to check "single." hatred will always be around no matter what information is provided.
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And Jon
"So, if you are a gay man the current law does not grant you the same right as a straight man? you can't marry a woman? Ummmm no "rights" are violated here. Equal protection of the "individual" is also respected currently."
I can marry a woman. You can't marry a man. Equal rights in the pursuit of happiness? Don't think so.[
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Besides... Marriage is not a right... if they can out transfats, they can outlaw anything.
So can brother and sister marry in Hawaii? How about father and daughter? I think those would fit the legal definition of marriage if it were allowed.
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And why not multiple spouses, as we so respect Islam that'll be next.
And how about your dog or cat (think of the dependents).
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Originally posted by Jon
So can brother and sister marry in Hawaii? How about father and daughter? I think those would fit the legal definition of marriage if it were allowed.
In the beginning, marriage was limited to only what certain people said it could be. One of those was an antiquated belief (more religious and taboo, less scientific) concerning inbreeding. You know the old you marry your third cousin twice removed on your grandfathers side and the offspring will be a two headed Satan worshipper.
Over time, government and society has refined the taboo with science and has reached educated conclusions that prior genetic/science issues are not as extensive as those in the 1700's or 1800's thought. They also concluded that issues of mental capacity and influence (such as in parent/child, brother/sister) was scientifically valid but not after a certain point of the family relationship. So states have repealed incest laws to conform to a more modern and updated society. In Texas for example, it’s perfectly legal to marry your cousin. In some states that still prohibit first cousin marriages, but if childbirth isn't possible, it’s legal. So the issue of close relationship marriage (just like age) is based more on health (physical, mental and offspring) than on religion, culture or politics.
