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HB 444 Civil Unions
Jon, that was decades ago & in a far different community climate. Our church here is a very welcoming community.
I just hadn't realized that those ideas still persisted today,

I truly do pray that there comes a day when a person is judged by their compassion
And pray that I am judged by those with compassion.


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Originally posted by The Lack

So lets get the government out of every aspect of two partners getting hitched. I’ll go along with that if the governments also get out of the, getting de-hitched part too. No de-hitching allowed and no division of properties in any court for any reason.
No government involvement in the distributing of monies, child support, alimony, pal alimony, and no lawyer fees. Yes, keep my government out of my private business. Hey, just to get rid of the divorce lawyers and send them back chasing ambulances may be worth it.

That's fine with me, if it's really fine with you. But I suspect it's not. Because that would mean there can be NO government recognition of marital/spousal rights, privileges, or benefits.

If your partner gets sick and is in the hospital, the next closest Blood relative makes the decision, not the spouse. You would need a legal medical power of attorney to over-ride the relative rights as no spousal rights granted by Government exist.

You get social security; your partner gets social security. One dies, their payments end right there on the spot. No one gets the higher of the two since it's a government benefit based on marriage.

You die and you wanted your spouse to have you cremated? Your spouse can’t make that call unless you have a legal funeral power of attorney giving your partner the authority to make the decision. Since no government recognition of marriage exist, no spousal rights exist, you’re nearest blood relative makes the decision.

Oh yeah, your spouse wins the lottery, it’s hers, free and clear as no government community/spousal property right exist any longer. Your just two individuals and she walks away from you with the money and you have no rights to it.

Oh and lets not forget that you don't automatically have beneficiary rights to your partner's pension, 401k, life insurance, etc that is granted by government involvement in marriage.

And let's not forget that if you break up, if the house and cars are in both names she doesn’t have to wait for any court proceedings before she sells her half that night to Chad and Vito (the 2007 & 2009 Gay Flame Goddess Winners) who can move right in.

Of course my favorite: NO Spousal Privileges so she can be compelled to testify against you because government provides no protection, as marriage doesn’t exist in the eyes of government.

All government involvement in marriage just disappears and you must now live the same life, have the same rights, fight for the same authority, and face the same challenges as all the same sex couples who do not have the benefit of government recognition. You will become and have exactly what same sex couples have today.
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Tom and Jon where do you keep coming up with this lifestyle (choice)??? Are yo #$&%^*(ing crazy???? who in their right mind would ever choose to be gay????

And no one is forcing this issue down your throat, no one is asking you to be part of this conversation, How can you be so small minded and think you know what the heck your talking about when it doesnt involve your dailey life in fact it doesnt involve you in any way.

It's kinda like a man talking about abortion, where the *#ck do you get off talking about a subject that in no way effects anything about you or your dailey life, this is why progress is so slow, because of people like you that really don't have a clue what their talking about and they want to fight just to fight, even when the issue has nothing to do with them.[:0]

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Bob, I am not seeing the downside here, you are just pointing out the the Government is too involved in our lives.

lostboytoy (nice name), All things are a choice, I chose not to have kids, I chose to move to Hawaii, I chose not to post foul language...
That said... you are free to make your choices.

How many times do I have to say... I have a problem with the redefining of the word Marriage. Pick another name. If someone changes the legal meaning of a word, it changes all the laws that use that word. So we would next have to worry about someone changing the word "dead" to mean anyone over the age of 50 or under the age of 18. Might be a little bit of a mess then huh...

I have no problem with abortions ether, as long as I don't have to pay for them... but, why is it that the father of a child is held responsible for the child even if the mother leaves the father. But has no say in the aborting of his child?

Personally, I think if a woman is married the husband must be involved in the decision of an abortion. Maybe not to the same degree as the woman, but some involvement and not just to pay for it.
But I also believe that divorce should not be allowed while minor children are involved, or if divorce is allowed that one parent gets the kids and the other is removed from their lives completely and that includes any money changing hands.

Now do you really want to talk about abortion with me?


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Lostboystoy Wrote:


Tom and Jon where do you keep coming up with this lifestyle (choice)??? Are yo #$&%^*(ing crazy???? who in their right mind would ever choose to be gay????

Well Lostboystoy you just about summed it all up here by saying “who in their right mind would ever choose to be gay????” Now please don’t try and tell me that being a homosexual is not a choice but rather just the nature of things. You and I both know that you being a homosexual is what you prefer over being a heterosexual. That my friend is “choice” and you’re the one who calls it insane, your own words not mine.

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Tom ignorance really is bliss for you isn't it? Did you choose to be stupid? their are many factors in what makes us who we are, but as far as choosing ones sexual preference, hmmm that would be an amazing feat.

so good luck with ya on that one....

And again I say what the heck does it have to do with you personally, where does this effect you in any way? Who do you think you are to try and tell any gay person that they can not have the same rights as everyone else.

thats what I call a closed minded, bigett!!!

if I have to keep pulling out examples to get it through to you, Kinda like a white guy using the N word and trying to talk about racial indifferance. come on what does the white kid have to bring to the table. hmm Nothing Kinda like your point TOM.

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And TOM dont ever pressume that you know me well enough to sit their and try to tell me what I prefer.

This is what I mean you have no flipping clue.....talk about straight issue's all you want but don't even for 1 second think that you have the right or knowledge to be talking about things that you have no clue about.

are you sure you didn't work for the Bush administration?

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Let's please leave off with the personal attacks. They have no purpose and accomplish nothing.

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and Jon I can see your point, I don't care what you call it, as long as everyone is protected.

we agree on divorce issues, they have become way to lax, we have become such a throw away society.

and as far as abortion if they are not married then I dont think the man has any say, but if your married yes then you have a voice.

and again someones sexual preference is not a choice. if you open your eyes just a little to the world around you, especially in the animal kingdom I have seen alot of animals either ingageing in homosexual sexual relations, I have seen animals that are bonded to a same sex mate, they may not have sex but you just try and seperate them, they will eatcha...

so are they choosing this?



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Why is it always about changing minds? how about looking that these debates as getting to know others and yourself?

I just learned that lostboystoy and I am not so opposed on some ideas. Why would that be a bad thing?

Meaningful communication can take place in many ways and I have found that most do not include organized systems. Random chatter is a much batter method of learning about people.



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I do not believe that America is better than everybody else...
America "IS" everybody else.
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I do not believe that America is better than everybody else...
America "IS" everybody else.
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