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Originally posted by mdd7000
Flying a helicopter out of Kona Airport (KOA) and wanting to go South, it makes perfect sense to stay over the water. Mauna Loa rises up very quickly and the coast can be better viewed from off-shore. It has nothing to do with people in Kona having more money.
Actually that aint Mauna Loa, it's Hualalai, and if you look at a map the town of Kona juts out (west) from what would be a straight line from the airport south. I know the pilots, they fly around the town, and stay off shore until they get south of Honaunau.
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Originally posted by dakine
and if you look at a map the town of Kona juts out (west) from what would be a straight line from the airport south.
The town is EAST of the runway straightline. It's only WEST if your looking at Old Kona Airport.
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There have been times and places where the coquis were worse than helicopters. Where the forest comes right up to the house in a heavily infested area, about 8pm, the noise from the coquis is shocking. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't heard it myself.
Overflying helicopters are annoying, but many of the complaints I have heard I can only assume are exaggerated due to the perception that there are people up there choosing to intrude on your peace and quiet. Many of those who complain refer to greed and money as being behind helicopter operations. Obviously they are making a living or they wouldn't be there, but they are not getting rich. They are not transporting bales of drugs, which is about the only way that general aviation is lucrative. Pilots (I am one) would be shocked to hear that the FAA is protecting them from criticism by the general public like some kind of paid enforcer. Follow the money. There ain't much in general aviation. What is the motivation for this grand conspiracy to keep the helicopters flying no matter what?
I have property in Eden Roc. I have flown from Hilo to Pu'u O'o crater by following Rt 11 then passing over my property in Eden Roc. It seems to be a natural pattern to follow that seems to reduce time spent over residential subdivisions. I have also spent time on my property when helicopters were flying. I will admit when they are low they can be annoying but to focus on them to the exclusion of other noise sources is biased. As I said, there can be worse coqui situations and worse noise from traffic. What I am saying is that I detect a very high level of bias against helicopters.
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Originally posted by MarkP
There have been times and places where the coquis were worse than helicopters. Where the forest comes right up to the house in a heavily infested area, about 8pm, the noise from the coquis is shocking. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't heard it myself.
Overflying helicopters are annoying, but many of the complaints I have heard I can only assume are exaggerated due to the perception that there are people up there choosing to intrude on your peace and quiet. Many of those who complain refer to greed and money as being behind helicopter operations. Obviously they are making a living or they wouldn't be there, but they are not getting rich. They are not transporting bales of drugs, which is about the only way that general aviation is lucrative. Pilots (I am one) would be shocked to hear that the FAA is protecting them from criticism by the general public like some kind of paid enforcer. Follow the money. There ain't much in general aviation. What is the motivation for this grand conspiracy to keep the helicopters flying no matter what?
I have property in Eden Roc. I have flown from Hilo to Pu'u O'o crater by following Rt 11 then passing over my property in Eden Roc. It seems to be a natural pattern to follow that seems to reduce time spent over residential subdivisions. I have also spent time on my property when helicopters were flying. I will admit when they are low they can be annoying but to focus on them to the exclusion of other noise sources is biased. As I said, there can be worse coqui situations and worse noise from traffic. What I am saying is that I detect a very high level of bias against helicopters.
Nicely written post! [  ]
Maybe you hit upon the reason for that anti-helicopter bias? Money from those growing pot?
You are right about how loud coquis can get!
Has anyone taken any meaningful steps, other that spraying, to reduce coquis on their property?
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"Has anyone taken any meaningful steps, other that spraying, to reduce coquis on their property?"
I cleared most of the vegetation near the house and have gotten into the habit of going out for a while every few nights to hunt down the coquis with a flashlight. With a bit of practice it becomes quite easy. I then either squish them with my (gloved) hand or shoot them with a BB gun if they're out of reach. If I can't see them then I soak the plant with citric acid. Overall, very effective.
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"Has anyone taken any meaningful steps, other that spraying, to reduce coquis on their property?"
I cleared most of the vegetation near the house and have gotten into the habit of going out for a while every few nights to hunt down the coquis with a flashlight. With a bit of practice it becomes quite easy. I then either squish them with my (gloved) hand or shoot them with a BB gun if they're out of reach. If I can't see them then I soak the plant with citric acid. Overall, very effective.
Do you ever manage to get the brooding males - those males that are sitting on eggs? How about the females? They don't make noise like the males do though.
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MDD7000,
So how did you just automatically jump straight from "bias against helicopters" to money from pot growers? Are you claiming the pot growers are paying people to complain, or that people who complain are growing pot? Either is a huge leap. Why can't people just want a little peace and quiet in their own homes without being subjected to high levels of noise from a profit making enterprise without being accused of being criminals?
You would probably resent it if someone opened a concert grounds or night club right next door to you, but seem to think that it is OK for tour companies to subject rural residents to equally high levels of nuisance noise because it brings in tourist dollars. My experience with tourism is that tourists come with a budget, and they spend what they bring one way or another. If the helicopters didn't fly they would find another way to spend their money, and I doubt many would decide not to come here if they couldn't do a helicopter tour.
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Originally posted by MarkP
...I will admit when they are low they can be annoying but to focus on them to the exclusion of other noise sources is biased.
what other noises? where I live they are the ONLY noise! no bias, no nothing, except an observation that they intrude where they don't belong
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Hmm, helicopters and coquis are getting mixed up now. Can mdd7000 explain the link?
Sure, I sometimes encounter brooding males, eggs and all, and also the big females,
while looking for the calling males. Every tree I walk past, I check the trunk.
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PaulW: They both make noise, generally unwanted...
My original question was based upon hearing people complain about helicopters making noise, but not seeing complaining about the coqui - which can be extremely loud, nearly continuous (more so than a helicopter)and on one's own property. I wanted to see if people complained to government types about them too. It appears they don't and just live with it.
MarkP brought up the money issue in that general aviation pilots don't make much money unless they are running drugs. I just wondered if SOME of the people complaining about helicopter noise had a hidden agenda to complain about helicopters. There does seem to be a FEW of the anti-helicopter, (Op Green Harvest) people that also post very actively about how safe pot is and it should be legalized. That leads to a motive for no Op Green Harvest helicopter flights,right?
I don't think that is stretching it?
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