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I want to complain about something that happened a few nights ago and get your opinions about it.
A young man went to a house in Ainaloa and got into an argument with a houseful of Micronesian young men. I heard he owed them money. Apparently he did not pay them. He then left the house and went to a friend's house in Ainaloa and the Micronesian gang followed him and beat up all the people in the house along with the guy that owed them money. The police were called but didn't show up for a long time and when they did, the gang was gone. What makes me mad is that one of the cops told a young man (a 19-year- old) where the gang lives and then sneered and said "just in case you and your friends want to know" like he was trying to cause more trouble. What kind of cop does that? I hope he was not an example of all the other officers around here. What do you think about this?
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With a wink and a nod, it sounds like this cop was not Puna's Finest. In another event today, one of our own was killed by Puna police. I will assume they thought they had no alternatives. I can't second guess trained police, but I often wonder in these situations why they couldn't just aim for a knee or arm. As the utopian song goes, "In the Big Rock Candy Mountain/The cops have wooden legs/The bulldogs all have rubber teeth/And the hens lay soft-boiled eggs..."
I guess I'm in a wishful thinking mood tonight. Wouldn't it be nice if going off your meds didn't mean you had to be gunned down.
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"aim for the knee or arm." Sorry, I have to comment here. Police are not trained to do such a thing. I have asked many officers of this exact thing and all had similar answers - "stop watching television."
Police officers are trained to shoot at the chest for maximum stopping power, often resulting in death.
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Not enough information on either incident to form an opinion. The second incident, with the shooting, could be an example why you should push for the police to have tasers, if they don't have them yet.
Pua`a
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Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
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Police and the government are under no legal obligation to protect you. Police are allowed to lie to you. The judges and the prosecutors work for the same "client" (whoever that is)as the police. It is a system that, as they say is designed to "Administer Justice", as it needs administering obviously. Police will shoot you and they do not even know why. They may think they know why, but really they are having a legal OPINION drive their thinking. Take off the silly suit and the shiny little metal badge, and police are just people that are set on enforcing their will and the will of their "client" on other individuals. I think in general we should be thankful that there are less police and puna, otherwise there would be a big increase in interactions between "citizen" and "officer". An increase of interactions with these people in costume can only result in one possible out come. increased "Crime" and trouble.
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My daughters friend was there that night, he is 19, he said the Micronesian gang had weapons and attacked everyone including the woman who lived in the house. Thanks to a bright 15 year old all of the smaller children were safe in the back bed room. He also said the police took a long time to get there. The 19 year old went to the hospital and got stitches and staples in his head. This is a bad situation and I hope no one else has to go through this. As far as the police....?
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I forgot to add something, I prefer to add a new post as to edit, for this information, it will help validate (its a law professor and a veteran criminal investigator speaking) some of what i have said
"Dont Talk to Police"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
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Originally posted by 808blogger
Police and the government are under no legal obligation to protect you. Police are allowed to lie to you. The judges and the prosecutors work for the same "client" (whoever that is)as the police. It is a system that, as they say is designed to "Administer Justice", as it needs administering obviously. Police will shoot you and they do not even know why. They may think they know why, but really they are having a legal OPINION drive their thinking. Take off the silly suit and the shiny little metal badge, and police are just people that are set on enforcing their will and the will of their "client" on other individuals. I think in general we should be thankful that there are less police and puna, otherwise there would be a big increase in interactions between "citizen" and "officer". An increase of interactions with these people in costume can only result in one possible out come. increased "Crime" and trouble.
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I've had uniformly positive experiences with the police here. The shooting yesterday was a couple miles from my house. I for one will assume the best before the worst. There are always good cops and bad cops. THEY'RE PEOPLE.
Some cops go in for the power, some for the service. Like all public servants, they have to make hard decisions when there are no clearly defined lines of right and wrong. Often having to weigh life and death decisions in split seconds. Having lived many places, the police here have always been there when needed and tried to get things handled quickly without escalation. I can not speak to the incident bonny777 commented on.
All i know is that two nights ago a citizen started popping rounds off at 4am. A lot of police showed up, evacuate nearby houses, shut down traffic anywhere within gunshot range and stood vigil for 24+ hours. Did that man need to be shot? I don't know, how could I? I wasn't there, i shouldn't be. There will be a review of the incident. The public will vote on it in the media and the courts. All i know is that about 20 police officers stood watch for more than 24 hours, getting eaten by mosquitoes and trying to subdue someone bent on shooting others for whatever reason. I said thank-you . The officer who i said that too said, thanks, and looked like he was going to cry.
I doubt anyone was happy about htis killing.
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From the Honolulu Advertiser:
"A 60-year-old man was shot and killed by Hawai'i County police early Wednesday morning after he allegedly threatened officers with a gun following a nearly 10-hour standoff at his Puna home."
Sounds to me like suicide by cop. Something sadly, police have to deal with.
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My only complaint about the police in Puna is that there are not more of them. That is why it took them a long time to get there. They are not nearby. We need more substations, more police and a better response time. I will forgive an offhand remark if the police actually do show up, as they did here. And nothing precludes later investigation and prosecution of the perps.
