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Hawaii ranked worst state to make a living
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http://www.ktvb.com/story/money/careers/.../29626223/

1. Hawaii
Paradise is not cheap. Hawaii ranks as the No. 1 worst state to make a living in 2015. The state's cost of living index is a whopping 170.8, driven by housing costs. The estimated state tax on average income totals $3,073.77. An average income of $46,230 is in line with the rest of the nation, but when you adjust for taxes and the cost of living, workers in Hawaii get the equivalent value of just $0.55 for every $1.00 they make.
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#2
New motto for state and county agencies:

Lucky for us, you live Hawaii
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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Hawaii ranks No. 1 for the fourth year in a row as the state where residents report the best sense of overall well-being, based on physical health, outlook on life, job satisfaction and other factors that affect quality of life, according to the annual Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio...x/1949237/
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HOTPE:
Particularly if your're retired- just like a tourist- importing money.
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Government spending [Military bases, etc], tourism, and retirees drive the Hawaiian economy, not necessarily in that order.
Tourism and retirees do support the economy, but are not going to create the high paying jobs that a true industrial economy would.
Same for the government spending except for the government employees, many of whom are here just passing through on a job financed excursion.
Of course that excludes the local government employees.
Many of which have a permanent well paid income financed by the taxes levied on the general population.
Milking the public trough has always been " the American way".

What is there on a group of islands in the mid Pacific to base a lucrative economy on?
I find it hard to envision anything.

The same has been happening in Alaska with the winding down of the oil income.
The big box store and tourism explosion has created a multitude of new jobs.
They list them as increases in employment opportunities.
Almost all are low paying service jobs in a high COL location.

For many, somethings are given up to be able to live here.
Lifestyle choices have to be made.
Even retirees are caught up in having to make those types of decisions.
If you're not willing to do that, you probably should be somewhere else.
At least you won't freeze to death because you can't afford to heat whatever you happen to be living in.
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What is there on a group of islands in the mid Pacific to base a lucrative economy on?

The world is more & more based on information technology.
Hawaii is midpoint between the US mainland and Asia.
Our morning overlaps with afternoon business hours on the mainland.
Our afternoon overlaps with morning business hours in Asia.
There are already businesses here with people stationed in Hawaii for that purpose, one in HPP with a T1 line connecting a large multinational business in the manner described above.
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

What is there on a group of islands in the mid Pacific to base a lucrative economy on?

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There are already businesses here with people stationed in Hawaii for that purpose, one in HPP with a T1 line connecting a large multinational business in the manner described above.


Alaska and Hawaii have similar circunstances.
They are remote from the rest of the country.
They have little to no economy other than government spending and tourism.
That was true of Alaska before the oil boom, and is again becoming a fact of life now that that resource is winding down.
The best things they had going for them was the pork generated by their long term powerful senators and congressmen.
The stupidity of the Alaskans voting Uncle Ted out and the death of Daniel Inouye were terrible blows to both states.

How many local jobs are provided by these businesses?
Or, are they just savvy people making a good living using information technology?
I tend to be suspicious about what is actually going on and the potential for development.

My favorite example, of savvy people living the good life using technology, is the person[s] living in the huge, log, lodge like house with the huge commercial communication sized satellite dish sitting next to it along the Taylor Highway, Alaska state highway 5, just on the north side of the Fortymile River bridge. The Taylor highway is a 160 mile long gravel road.
The bridge sits at mile 112.

http://s131.photobucket.com/user/solo_vo...z.jpg.html

The satellite dish is hard to see, but you can see its shadow just to the right of the house.
I used to recreate with the types of state and federal employees I mentioned in my previous post.
This bridge is a takeout and putin for river trips.
Take it for what it's worth, but my sources of information about that house were from a number of BLM, National Park and other fedreal and some state employees. I was told by a number of different people on a number of different occasions that that house was lived in by someone that made his living buying and selling stocks, the dish was his means of communication for "work".
My sources were not official.
But, they were all in agreement over time.
OK, now back to Hawaii.
I'll believe that there is a movement to begin developing an IT economy in Hawaii only when I see it being done on a scale that can benefit the people living here.
One or a few more actual businesses with little or no actual effect on the local economy, are the exceptions that prove the rule.

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Plus, how many of the island nations in the Pacific are trying to establish an IT based economy and not faring very well beyond creating an income for a few savvy individuals? I see a lot of them in small operations providing domains [or whatever they're called - .to, etc], and small scale server farms.
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Was a Democrat until gun control became a knee jerk, then a Republican until the crazies took over, back to being a nonpartisan again.
This time, I can no longer participate in the primary.
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I'll believe that there is a movement to begin developing an IT economy in Hawaii only when I see it being done on a scale that can benefit the people living here.

Everything starts small, like Steve Jobs in his garage.
In the 1990's Chinese workers could barely make a t-shirt that would pass quality control in the states. Now they make everything.

American-Asian linked jobs in Hawaii could exist for many others besides employees of multinationals.
Asian businesses might want a salesperson who can speak "American" English to their clients and potential clients.
American companies may need a rep to contact their Asian customers when it's after hours on the mainland.
There are millions of businesses all around the world that could benefit from a go between.
BTW- the worker in HPP is not a stock trader. He's employed by a Fortune 500 company.
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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#9
All Hawaii really has anymore is tourism and military. We export a small amount of flowers, papayas, coffee, and other goods, but we don't have a large enough agricultural operation to even support our own population.

Fortunately, we do have a lot of observatories so we can always export amazing scientific discoveries about the universe. Nothing can stand in the way of that!
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As much as I agree with you terracore, I will not bash the observatories.
I believe they fulfill a very necessary function, no matter how esoteric.
The expansion of our knowledge concerning the universe we live in can only be of benefit to us as a species.
Those observatories are a vital necessity in becoming more informed about our reality.

Sorry primal, but cannot get away from the feeling that I'm being glad-handed by a true believer.
Only results will make that go away.

I'm done here.
I've spent too much time on this.
I've got other things of more importance to me to do.
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Was a Democrat until gun control became a knee jerk, then a Republican until the crazies took over, back to being a nonpartisan again.
This time, I can no longer participate in the primary.
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