Aloha!

[ericlp]

http://www.civilbeat.com/2015/07/living-...b953b0cc51

I wonder if they consider the outter islands before leaving?

[BradW]

Domestic migration away from Puna has nothing to do with economics and everything to do with quality of life. Since we did the 5 year remod on our home and sold it to get out, it has been bought and sold three times by "off Islanders", all have thrown up their hands, sold it, and moved back. Go figure. Until attitudes change and law enforcement gets onboard, this trend is just the same old drum beat. Sad, cuz it could be paradise.

[Kapoho Joe]

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Originally posted by BradW

Domestic migration away from Puna has nothing to do with economics and everything to do with quality of life. Since we did the 5 year remod on our home and sold it to get out, it has been bought and sold three times by "off Islanders", all have thrown up their hands, sold it, and moved back. Go figure. Until attitudes change and law enforcement gets onboard, this trend is just the same old drum beat. Sad, cuz it could be paradise.

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As soon as Puna becomes stable and business friendly, almost everyone living here currently will be priced out. Red Road Condos.

[BradW]

Maybe not. Those invested today would likely benefit from thoughtful investments made years ago, and perhaps, perhaps, they are due. However I think we should have little patience for those who cry they are owed due to some dumbass settlement from a vague injustice that occurred many years before our time and that we knew nothing nor cared nothing about. Simply loving the Island and loving it's ohana would be so mo betta. Problem is, the people who live there and think they are God's gift, have decided they want the white faces off the Island. Bye Bye, I would love to see the Big I without any US support -best of luck with that.

[shockwave rider]

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Originally posted by BradW

Maybe not. Those invested today would likely benefit from thoughtful investments made years ago, and perhaps, perhaps, they are due. However I think we should have little patience for those who cry they are owed due to some dumbass settlement from a vague injustice that occurred many years before our time and that we knew nothing nor cared nothing about. Simply loving the Island and loving it's ohana would be so mo betta. Problem is, the people who live there and think they are God's gift, have decided they want the white faces off the Island. Bye Bye, I would love to see the Big I without any US support -best of luck with that.

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We all know your migration to Hawaii did not work out and you moved back to the mainland. that does not mean everyone will have the same experience you did. Generally speaking, what I have found is that people who came here for one or many vacations and "fell in love" with Hawaii often end up moving back within that 2-5 year window. While those who did careful research, came for an extended initial stay of 6 months or a year before burning their bridges to the mainland, and rented for at least a year before buying a home tend to last longer. Just look at the long time punaweb folks who were posting here in the early days, many are still here and still like living here, but these are people who did not think they were moving to "paradise" and they had realistic expectations.

I am sorry it did not work out here for you Brad, but the fact that you still feel compelled to post about how horrible Puna is and how much you dislike the people who inhabit this place, after selling out years ago, tells me that perhaps the real problem is more personal to you and your family than general to the place.

We've been here a while now (well over a decade) have not had anything close to your negative experience with living here. And if we had gotten fed up and moved away years ago we wouldn't still be trolling punaweb for a chance to whine about what a horrible place Puna is and how the people think they are "god's gift."

[leilanidude]

BradW - did you even read the article? It is about people moving away from Honolulu/Oahu - NOT Puna.

"Domestic migration away from Puna has nothing to do with economics and everything to do with quality of life."
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[terracore]

At the current rate of 235%/year road fee increase in Orchidland, in 10 years it will cost $4,700.00/year just for road fees for a single 125 foot wide lot. That's over $3 per inch! Talk about your gentrification! I'm guessing only Californians will be able to afford to live in Puna then. Of course the side roads will still be unpaved and unimproved, but at least the chip seal debate will only be 10 years away from being solved.

[pahoated]

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Originally posted by terracore
Talk about your gentrification

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People seem to be using the word gentrification without understanding its definition. Gentrification is the buying and renovating of houses and stores in deteriorated urban neighborhoods by wealthier individuals
This isn't happening that much in Puna. More often, people buy homes and abandon them for one reason or another. That is ghettofication, housing increasingly occupied by lower income people, if anything. People either bought their lot by visiting it first or just going by it while renting elsewhere or off the internet. A few years ago, PW was flooded with people wanting to know where the absolute cheapskate, penny pinching, skinflint lots could be found. It took a few years for many to realize cheap doesn't mean good, and in fact, usually means crap. If they are complaining about roads now, then they didn't do their homework then. As a former professor used to say on almost a weekly basis, "Snooze, you lose".

"Aloha also means goodbye. Aloha!"

[kalakoa]

Gentrification is the buying and renovating of houses and stores in deteriorated urban neighborhoods by wealthier individuals

There is no reason this definition cannot be extended to include the roads -- in fact, the value proposition of building renovations is limited by the quality of the roads, so at some point the roads have to be upgraded to match the apparent value of the buildings.

If they are complaining about roads now, then they didn't do their homework then.

Assumes that the road management problem is obvious to the observer, and that the people involved aren't replaced by different people with a different agenda. How many HPP residents thought their roads were a solved problem when they moved in? ("Look, a board, and dues, and they totally promise that my street will be paved really soon.")

[shockwave rider]

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Originally posted by kalakoa

Gentrification is the buying and renovating of houses and stores in deteriorated urban neighborhoods by wealthier individuals

There is no reason this definition cannot be extended to include the roads -- in fact, the value proposition of building renovations is limited by the quality of the roads, so at some point the roads have to be upgraded to match the apparent value of the buildings.

If they are complaining about roads now, then they didn't do their homework then.

Assumes that the road management problem is obvious to the observer, and that the people involved aren't replaced by different people with a different agenda. How many HPP residents thought their roads were a solved problem when they moved in? ("Look, a board, and dues, and they totally promise that my street will be paved really soon.")

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Up until the current board most of us in HPP had decently maintained roads, I don't think all that many people really expected all of the roads being paved to ever be more than a false promise, but we did assume the roads would continue to be maintained at the same level they were when we bought. That is not the case. Only one very short stretch of our road has been touched in over a year, that part had a set of lake sized potholes that could eat most cars and people were driving into people's yards to avoid the lakes, but the rest of the road has not had any maintenance beyond being mown exactly twice since the mass termination of employees.

If I wanted to live on a road with axle busting ruts I would have bought a much cheaper house in Hawaiian Acres and spent the money on a truck. Part of the value of HPP at the time we bought was what seemed to be a commitment to having decent roads, the current board disfunction has severely disrupted the maintenance of HPP roads.