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Take a look at this hale cottage.
https://i.imgur.com/0JHThVP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qTuSF0w.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/EF3xMvR.jpg
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Let's separate the electrical and plumbing and just talk about the structure itself. (we'll get to permits in a sec)
Let's assume I'm a do it yourselfer who will hire when necessary. How hard is it to build something like that? Anyone have a rough number for cost? It seems so simple, a floor, four walls and a roof. I could practically count the lumber from the photos and price it at Home Depot.
Where could I find an architectural plan for something this simple? Do they even exist?
Now the tricky part - permits.
Do you guys think this structure was permitted? COULD something like this get a permit (as long as I have the proper plans for the building and septic, etc)?
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well from the pics, no it is not permitted, nor could be. look at the 2x4 rafters and spacing just for starters. earthquake ties? nope.. i actually think you are allowed an outdoor bathroom as long as hooked up to a permitted septic system. but maybe that has changed. but it also depends on where you are building, cc&rs and minimum square footage. lumber for my 760ish sq footer was around 12K few years back (lumber only) but codes have changed since then. if you are gonna build something, it is worth it to go to a lumber yard (HPM, argus, honsor) not home depot. at HD a 10 footer is exactly 10 ft. at a lumber yard you usually get at least an inch, sometimes 2 or 3 and sometimes that saves your board from becoming scrap.. just a suggestion.
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Originally posted by lquade
well from the pics, no it is not permitted, nor could be. look at the 2x4 rafters and spacing just for starters.
Right. I was looking at those and thinking "who builds a roof with 2x4's?"
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i actually think you are allowed an outdoor bathroom as long as hooked up to a permitted septic system
What's the difference? (indoor vs outdoor) It all goes into the same spot, right? I'm guessing this structure WASN'T permitted. That toilet goes somewhere, did they just dump it into their existing tank and just say "screw it"? From the look of it, there's at least half a dozen cottages on the property, there's no way they got a permit to build a "campground" that size?
Is it even possible to get a permit for 5-6 buildings like that at the same time? (it just be a huge septic system, which in this case it's probably not)
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May I ask why this property owner is being examined so closely?
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I'm guessing this structure WASN'T permitted.
That TMK has a permit history which includes a few "as-built". This means it was fully compliant at some point in time.
The structure appears to be smaller than 600 square feet, and I don't see a toilet in the photos, so it's entirely possible that it's exempt from permit requirements.
In any case: "unpermittedness" is rampant in Puna, often with County fully aware, but they would rather collect tax revenue -- in the case of a "retreat center", that's tourism dollars, which are the best and most important kind.
a huge septic system, which in this case it's probably not
Main building for this TMK pre-dates the septic requirement; legal cesspools are grandfathered.
Suggest living here for a few years to fully understand how the mainland ways simply don't apply.
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May I ask why this property owner is being examined so closely?
I'm interested in BUILDING such a house. (I could care less about the owners) If I do pick up some property in Puna, I would like to start small, then build the main house afterwards. I'm only using that one as an example. I've been cruising through Airbnb and see all sorts of structures.
Here's another example: https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/7182254
I like the look of the first cottage, at least the roof seems more secure.
Another one: https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13901
None of these look as "nice" as the one shown above. Do any of these look like they would've been permitted?
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The structure appears to be smaller than 600 square feet, and I don't see a toilet in the photos, so it's entirely possible that it's exempt from permit requirements.
Ah ha, this is interesting. So we're saying I could build as many 20'x20' cottages as I wanted? (not that I intend to) I've seen some Thai style houses that are basically 20x20 rooms/little houses that are connected by walkways with a central courtyard. I could slowly build my Thai style house and claim I'm adding a game room, trophy room and library? :-)
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Originally posted by Ciks
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May I ask why this property owner is being examined so closely?
I'm interested in BUILDING such a house. (I could care less about the owners) If I do pick up some property in Puna, I would like to start small, then build the main house afterwards. I'm only using that one as an example. I've been cruising through Airbnb and see all sorts of structures.
Here's another example: https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/7182254
I like the look of the first cottage, at least the roof seems more secure.
Another one: https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13901
None of these look as "nice" as the one shown above. Do any of these look like they would've been permitted?
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The structure appears to be smaller than 600 square feet, and I don't see a toilet in the photos, so it's entirely possible that it's exempt from permit requirements.
Ah ha, this is interesting. So we're saying I could build as many 20'x20' cottages as I wanted? (not that I intend to) I've seen some Thai style houses that are basically 20x20 rooms/little houses that are connected by walkways with a central courtyard. I could slowly build my Thai style house and claim I'm adding a game room, trophy room and library? :-)
You can build as many structures as you like. You (or anyone else) just legally can't live in them.
Building Code:
"One story detached accessory structures used as tool and storage sheds, playhouses and similar uses, provided the floor area does not exceed a) 120 square feet (11.2m2); b) does not exceed 600 square feet for agricultural zoned lands."
These structures are not meant for habitation.
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I live in my playhouse, thank you very much!
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I see a tarp roof, scrap rafters, etc. a common 'Punatic home'... as long as its in Puna, not seen from the road, and is in a multi-acre/lot private subdivision.... it works... my guess is $3K w/o hardwood flooring, but I can do it for $1500 easy... my 12 yr old place is a larger version of this, but w/metal roof, loft, and a wrap around lanai... it was $8K in materials including basic solar and a propane fridge...
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save our indigenous and endemic Hawaiian Plants... learn about them, grow them, and plant them on your property, ....instead of all that invasive non-native garbage I see in most yards... aloha
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save our indigenous and endemic Hawaiian Plants... learn about them, grow them, and plant them on your property, ....instead of all that invasive non-native garbage I see in most yards... aloha
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