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Prepping for a virus situation
#1
I found this information from a friend's FB account informative and practical.

I quote:

Subject: What I am doing for the upcoming COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic

Dear Colleagues,

As some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.

The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.
Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:

1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.

2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.

3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.

4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.

5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.

6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.

7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!

What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:

1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.

Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon.

This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.

2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.

3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.

4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.

I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.

I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share. Good luck to all of us!

James Robb, MD FCAP
Assume the best and ask questions.

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#2
Its sound advice. Never heard of the zinc lozenges usage. I am more of a couple teaspoon of colloidal silver guy myself.
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#3
Sorry kander:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifes...q-20058061

"Colloidal silver isn't considered safe or effective for any of the health claims manufacturers make. Silver has no known purpose in the body. Nor is it an essential mineral, as some sellers of silver products claim."

Thanks Rob, sounds like good advice.
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#4
The panic is going to cause a lot of damage to Hawaii, without tourist money and unchecked spending allowed by emergency declarations. It’s going to be back to the whole ‘Furlough Friday ‘ shtick next year
Also Hawaii county has got the worst shortage of doctors in the country. Even a heavy flu season overwhelms the system. A lot of people have Doctors on Oahu . If they limit travel between islands it’s gonna make it way worse
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#5
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Originally posted by PaulW

Sorry kander:

The same could be said for Zinc
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-cond...q-20057769

Both are antiviral and antibacterial elements. One had one study and the other (silver) has really had no study, but has roots going back hundreds of years. The statement born with a silver spoon in the mouth is not actually about being wealthy it was a common practice to have placed a silver spoon in newborns because it seemed to reduce the chances of polio and other childhood disease and therefore reduce infant mortality rate.
maybe its all snake oil.
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#6
The Chinese are using silver fog machines:

https://www.delawareonline.com/story/new...690454002/
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#7
Mega doses Vit C research has shown is anti viral as well as Colloidal Silver.
Here is a lecture on vit C. https://youtu.be/W5Bgdqsorg0
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#8
Should this spread heavily to Big Island, as the other thread discussed there would not be enough ventilators to go around. And some people just will not go to a hospital. Should you be a caregiver in your own home learning some basics about postural drainage would be helpful. First the caregiver should understand and have protective covering to do this...gloves, virus resistant face mask, enclosed eye covering, and a garb to cover you totally like a hazmat suite. Since hazmat suites may not be available have long sleeve shirt and over sized trousers to place over your own clothes at the doorway. Put these on each time you enter the patients room and off as you exit. If you have a washing machine, you could wash these clothes with bleach to disinfect them. Most people will not get pneumonia with the virus, but most of critally ill ones will. Then for some it turns to ARDS, it is like a total lung Pneumonia and it can become quite serious as it causes the lung sacs called aveoli to inflame and fill up with too much fluid and interferes with oxygen absorption. With postural drainage have your patient lay on their stomach with 2 or 3 pillows under the hips. Gravity assists the fluids out of the lungs for ARDS or pneumonia. Postural drainage involves taking positions that allow gravity to help drain secretions. Postural drainage is often useful with chest percussion and coughing techniques. Hit the patients back while in this position either in a cupping action or karate chop style. Place a bowl below the patients mouth so they can spit as much fluid and mucus as possible into it. If you patient is agile they can lay sideways on the bed and hang their upper body off the side of the bed, balance their elbows on the floor and the bowl on the floor to spit in. This would not work with tall beds. There is higher survival rate for patients that lay on their stomach while they sleep.
Even with hospital care about 70% survive ARDS. So please go to the hospital if they are accepting patients.
To add to your preppers list, get a oximeter. They cost about $45. at Longs. It is easy to use, just put it over the end of your finger and within a few seconds it tells your blood oxygen levels. Multiple people can use the same one, just wipe it down with 90% alcohol between use. Healthy people have levels between 94-100%. If it falls below 90% call your doctor with the information. Also check your temperature before you call the doctor, so you will have that information to share. When levels too are low, it depends on the person, from 60-80% you will need supplemental oxygen.
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#9
Thanks for the info - never heard of Postural drainage before. Good tip that leads to lots of useful stuff online!

Amazon also has lots of oximeters to choose from as well - easy to add to the next order (before California dock workers are infected and the boats stop coming Wink
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=oximeter
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#10
I always buy my meds for specific purposes, like naproxen for inflammation, guaifenesin for expectorant, acetaminophen for pain/fever, etc. I try to only take what I specifically need when I need it, since sometimes coughing or a low fever can actually help you get better faster.

Aside from expectorant, are there any other good medications to have on hand for pneumonia? Thanks for the tip on postural drainage.
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