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A few thoughts on "sustainability."
#1
Musing a bit. I will not have any time to attend any of the current events addressing the topic, and would be interested to know what any of you may have learned.

I think the term "sustainable living" has become a sort of blanket term to cover all sorts of styles of semi-rural semi-self sufficient lifestyles. At some point, the idea itself is completely flawed, as there is no such thing as "sustainable self-sufficient living." It's physically impossible, if for no other reason that at some point the sun will burn out--so really what we're talking about is a matter of degrees. As well, no one can learn to do everything, at least in any semi-modern society. It may be possible to live in a feral state in an unspoiled wilderness, as long as you don't trip and break an ankle, or get blood poisoning, but we're hardly in any state to approximate that kind of life. Impossible anyhow, as there's simply too many human beings to live in that minimally impactive but utterly inefficient manner.

So, the goal from, distilled from that perspective is this: assuming that one's security can be enhanced, and one's quality of life enhanced as well, by less and less reliance on goods and services that one cannot provide for oneself--one seeks "self-sufficiency" in a sustainable manner. That may be sensible, to a point, and I think that few would argue that "eliminating unneeded and unrewarded exposure to risk" is NOT likely to be constructive. Obviously, many of us disagree at this point what constitutes "risk" and what does not. That is hardly the point, really, because the actions themselves are wholly personal and quality of life is the key.

I think that it's important to emphasize that none of us will get away with being an "island unto ourselves." In the culture is which we live, the model of the small self-sufficient farm or homestead must in many ways approximate a very lean efficient BUSINESS. The business model is what I have always applied to my "sailboat living" and it has been helpful. It isn't going to be enough to grow one's food to eliminate sensible risk. One will need to grow a profitable amount of food. You will not be able to pay your property tax with green beans, nor the dentist will "manifest" services. The homestead will need to have some income potential beyond the break even point, or it will not be long term viable, nor in any meaningful sense "self-sufficient."

Not too well worded. Will need another cup of coffee to clear the fog a bit. Thoughts?
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#2
I was thinking on the same lines as we dont have a 1 or 3 or 100 ac farm. I have been looking at the model of the guy in pasadena, Ca who is pretty self sufficent on his urban sized lot (the land equivelent of your sailboat! [8D])

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#3
In my thinking part of the world problem involves our (humankind's) approach to wealth. With the exception of crime and inherited wealth I basically see two ways to deal with it. One can create wealth or one can manipulate wealth. In an expanding economy, such as we have experienced in our lifetimes, the manipulators have been most highly rewarded. The creators of wealth: farmers, builders, manufacturers have been least rewarded. In a world transitioning to anything that encompasses "sustainability" I think the system of rewards will need to shift back to the creators. It will not be a easy or fun transition. I do think that here on this Hawaiian island we may have more opportunity for a graceful transition than we realize or appreciate. But we gotta get crackin.

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#4
That is a very good point.
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#5
For us it's red flags that go up when we think we "need" and we just really "want." Learning the difference after letting go of so much STUFF before we relocated here.

Carrie Rojo
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To need is a material thing - it has substance!
To want is an emotional thought - to be weighed with the need for it!
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#7
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Originally posted by Rob Tucker

... In a world transitioning to anything that encompasses "sustainability" I think the system of rewards will need to shift back to the creators. It will not be a easy or fun transition. I do think that here on this Hawaiian island we may have more opportunity for a graceful transition than we realize or appreciate. But we gotta get crackin.

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Somewhere along this transition, we must recognize and standup to those that will impose their taxing authority, for surely, they WILL find a way to get more than their share - THEIR sustainability.

David

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#8
To many rules,regulations,processes,laws.....[:0]
To ever get to the taxing point.[:p]
Its basically against the law to be poor and/or try to live a normal sustainable life. [V]
Just one other aspect of the messed up "system"

Maybe when "the system" starts feeling the pinch and all the folks are really suffering.... they'll wise up.
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#9
"They" are "us" when it is rural politics. If the system is messed up how can we make it better?

Rob has been doing a lot to forward the plan by making a plan in the first place. I think in order to hope for sustainability we will have to plan for it and have it as a goal.

Sustainable living is when it takes less resources or at least renewable resources to create whatever it is that is being made. Here is a link to a farm in Virginia who is making a real good attempt at sustainability: http://www.polyfacefarms.com/

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#10
One of the major business oriented keys towards successful "self-reliant" living is to move towards assets that generate "implied" income", rather than "earned income," which is always taxable where the former is not. The classic example is "owning" a residence vs. mortgage or renting, because in a very real sense owning the most modest shack in Hawaii outright generates a very real income of about 1000 bucks a month, as it would be very difficult to rent or finance the same for less--money that would have to be earned and in my case taxed at a near 33 percent rate. So looking from that perspective, it's pretty easy to figure what things are worth.

Many people are drawn to a "self-sufficent" lifestyle because they have no business sense. The fact is, you've got to have a very very refined business sense to make it work.
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