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on the Black Sand beach?
I started a new thread because didn't want it to get drowned in the discussion about naked liberalism[
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Anyway,I am serious.What does it take to have a full functioning restrooms?
Yes,I know,money..
But there are authorities and paperwork..
Was it ever a serious attempt to do something about it?
I am not talking about portable toilets.Though better then nothing,they very soon get disgusting .
If I were a wealthy person,I would just ask who to right a check.
As an ordinary person,I would rather pay to use the beach if it helps.
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Both Kaimu & Kehena Black Sand Beaches & Champagne ponds are on state lands but are not on their current lists of park/public lands for developement....
So the first thing is to get the state to agree to look into this.... but it is not that easy
All of these sites are within the Coastal Zone Management... and all of them would need an EA & most likely EIS to get done....Note: the restrooms at Issac Hale/Poihiki are across the street from the old facilities, many reasons for that, esp. looking at the fact that the old rest facilities could/would be in inundation zones....
Having taken classes where we were working on Master Plans for state lands that are currently transistioning into park/public lands.... it will take a very dedicated public that is willing to spend a lot of time lobbying, and it will also take a lot more money & time that most would anticipate.... due to the CZM issues & the fact that these locations have not been identified by the state as current park locations... and are on their radar as in the vary way far distant for park status...
So... if a group of very dedicated volunteers wants to work on this, contact the state...
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Thank you,Carey!
How big should be the group and who to contact in particular?
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Additionally, the State and County are not immune from regulations. Everything they do will be subjected to the laws, ordinances and codes. So although it may seem like a simple thing of building restrooms, as Carey stated, a long, arduous and expensive EIS will probably be required. There is nothing that can be done about this especially since anyone can challenge the project, grinding it to an almost certain halt and adding cost.
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quote:
Originally posted by Bob Orts
There is nothing that can be done about this ..
This is the answer?
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I think some government body could provide portible toilets and a fresh water trailer temporarily while the legal aspects and environental impacts are being ironed out. It doesn't take a genius to see that the impact now is 200 screaming, drumming partiers having no place to dookie between Pohoiki and Kalapana. It's shameful and disgusting.
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I don't remember where I read this but I recall reading that one of the gripes ancient Hawaiians had with the first European sailors that showed up was that they didn't bury their poop. Hawaiians had many kapus governing all aspects of their lives and this was one of them. Hawaiians feared to break these kapus and with good reason, since to do so might get you your head split. Hawaiian or not, most of us are used to today's permissive society and would not be happy if we suddenly found ourselves in ancient Hawaiian society. However, it worked for them, something that can't always be said for our own society.
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quote:
Originally posted by StillHope
quote:
Originally posted by Bob Orts
There is nothing that can be done about this ..
This is the answer?
Sorry, brain got ahead of the fingers.
I meant that there is nothing that government or the people can do anymore to expedite the process or make modifications to meet the immediate needs. Government's ability to work around the bureaucratically obstacles was
taken away from them by the judicial branch, so government is forced to go through all the same steps just as if they were a developer wanting to build a hotel and not just a restroom, even when it's
in the best interest of the people and environment. [V]
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quote:
Originally posted by Carey...Coastal Zone Management... and all of them would need an EA & most likely EIS to get done....it will also take a lot more money & time that most would anticipate....
MONEY Money MONEY MOney MONEY...
Sorry for off key singing.....
EA & EIS are
NOT CHEAP
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