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This fish farm proposal is moving ahead. In my experience fish farms have much more impact then the article alludes. The problem is the treated feed (antibiotics and hormones) entering the marine environment as well as the fact the cages can be breeding spots for disease.
Fish grow out pens in the open ocean are a whole lot more problematical than envisioned. There are many failed attempts on record. Note these guys have yet to prove the concept, yet they are ready to expose the ocean to chemicals and concentrated fish waste(disease generator). The wild fish not protected while the captive fish are pumped full of antibiotics.
This is really some bad news for the wild fish populations.
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Oh give me a break. Anyhting that might improve life here and also bring a little more money and change to the Hawaiian area seems to be always met with the most negative so called info. Give new ideas a chance and see what happpens.
I bet you are against floride in the water system here. I know we dont have it, but I am sure if it were to be proposed and passed for local use you would say that it would be against the laws of nature and maybe kill of all germs that cause tooth decay. What a waste.
Thanks for allowing my input.
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Does having lived next to a fish farm for a number of years and dinner 3 times a week with the caretaker give me a basis informed opinion? I think so......
Open to continuing exploring this topic
The John Birch rant (old school) may be better served by its own topic me thinks.
For more reading how our fish stocks are (not) managed - using 1975 data currently for billfish is one example:
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/arti...ocal01.txt
quote: "Hawaiian International Billfish Tournament founder Peter Fithian was "distressed" to learn the Western Pacific Regional Fishery Management Council knew little more today about the marlin fishery than it did when he served on the council in 1975. He told the scientists present that they should be embarrassed about presenting dated information"
- same guys approving the fish farm ?
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The issue isn't improving life HERE as much as contaminating it THERE (the ocean). It's always about money, money, money. Give new ideas a chance and see what happens? Think mongoose, for one...
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Oh give me a break. Anyhting that might improve life here and also bring a little more money and change to the Hawaiian area seems to be always met with the most negative so called info. Give new ideas a chance and see what happpens.
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Between a rock and a hard place.
Fishing as it is currently practiced is unsustainable--fisheries worldwide are on the verge of collapse. What to do? Impose a worldwide kapu on fishing for a few years? Try to find another way--ocean fish farms or aquaponics? Do nothing until it is too late?
Jerry
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Yes, jerry, we are "up the creek" whatever way you look at it, buy WHY go the route with antibiotics, hormones, etc? Without healthy oceans, WE ALL DIE regardless of how plentiful and cheap the price of fish is. People argue that a partial moratorium on commercial fishing would mean a loss of jobs, but please consider the alternative, which is to continue at the current pace until all the fish are dead, and then they can all go looking for jobs.
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I have been trying to learn more about these and was aware of some issues but thought that many had been licked, especially farms further out at sea. Is this not the case? It is certainly a serious dilemma that we are faced with. And more antibiotics and hormones is never the right answer. If anyone has links to places we can read more or recommendations for books or pubs on the subject it would be great if you would share them here!
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It’s a tough call, I think the issue is bigger, we feed on the top of the tier whether it be the grain to beef conversion or the fry and menhaden to tuna.
I remember researching the topic for a cultural anthropology class. The most efficient system was the rice paddy. Carp live below the water, water fowl above, the staple rice being consumed with a small amount of animal protein.
The problem with much of commercial farming is that it is so chemical dependent whether fish or corn.
A google search on “fish farming” turned up a wealth of links both pro and con. My two biggest concerns are the potential of genetically modified superfish and all of the required chemicals getting out into the open ocean.
Id like to see them get it right in tanks first
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Some light reading for you:
http://www.foodengineeringmag.com/Articl...32a8c0____
http://www.pbs.org/kqed/oceanadventures/...rming.html
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2008/...utiny.html
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118567454/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
http://www.latimes.com/la-me-salmon9dec0...5872.story
Books:
Fish conservation : a guide to understanding and restoring global aquatic biodiversity and fishery resources / Gene S. Helfman, 2007
Environment and livelihoods in tropical coastal zones : managing agriculture-fishery-aquaculture conflicts / edited by Chu Thai Hoanh ... [et al.]. 2006
Microbial biotechnology in agriculture and aquaculture / editor, Ramesh C. Ray. 2005
Aquaculture and fisheries biotechnology : genetic approaches / Rex A. Dunham. 2004
Cage aquaculture / Malcolm C.M. Beveridge. 2004
