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I know, I'm wearing you all out. When I was a kid, there was a dime fortune teller in a glass booth at my local miniature golf course. You could ask her anything and she would answer it....in her way.
Well, have another question. I keep reading bits and pieces about a possible bypass road to relieve traffic that might go through HPP. Is there ANY idea where that road might go. All speculation welcome.
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Hmmm.
Seems to me they've been talking about that for twenty years at least.
Usually it's Railroad Avenue that's mentioned...
...as it connects directly to Hilo and Kahakai Blvd in Hawaiian Beaches already
(in a 4WD, horse, mule, mountain-bikey sense).
The thing is though, I seriously doubt the homeowners/lot owners in the vicinity
would ever in a million years put up with it.
I know I sure as hell wouldn't.
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Aloha, Glen,
While Railroad is frequently mentioned by politicians, pundits, and people casually looking at maps, the folks in the County planning department and highway department seem to favor a route along 15th or 16th. There is a guy who frequently posts on Hunter Bishop's blog who is involved in the planning process, and he says that Railroad does not align correctly, having a somewhat winding nature that involves too many intersections. Hence they would use the old Railroad right of way on either side of HPP, but shift to 15th or 16th across HPP. There is a vague plan to make Railroad a sort of recreational asset involving bike and hike features.
In any case, the HPP association can be expected to oppose any transit of the community that resembles a highway. Whether they can thwart any plan remains to be seen. At the rate they do things around here it could be a very long time before anything actually gets built, but the community still should remain vigilant.
Cheers,
Jerry
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Aloha, Jerry. I THOUGHT I might hear from you as I recall our conversation about HPP at the tidepool. Bike path sounds nice. They may have lost the big mo to do this through HPP now that are so many more people.
Is it still possible to enter the Kapoho tidepools at this time of year, or is the tide too strong (warning TOPIC SHIFT!).
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The outer reef keeps the inner pools at Kapoho nice and calm, even in winter. In fact we were there today and it was fine. I would only stay away if there were a really big storm or south swell going on.
Cheers,
Jerry
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The homeowners wouldn’t have a choice if the State invokes the “Right of Eminent Domain”. They would have to widen the road there fore taking some land if not whole lots in some cases.
Doesn’t Hwy 130 go through HHP now?
BIMHO I would recommend widening 130 to at least Paradise Dr. better yet all the way to Pahoa. This project would cause less impact on all because there’s enough room on both sides to support the construction.
We are growing and the infrastructure needs to expand with the population. Ya’ gotta’ admit the Pahoa and Keaau bypass are an asset to the commute.
If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it cost when it’s free...now here come the taxes.....
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I don't think we will see any new roads there in the near or distant future either. There are three different options discussed, Raildoad Avenue, 15th-16th Street and Beach Road. The most logical and least expensive option would be the widening of Hwy 130. I am sure the COH will spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on studies before they shelve the idea for the next administration and the next administration will do the same. 
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Some people see a 4 land widening of Hwy 130 to Pahoa as the seed of destruction for Puna as a relatively peacefull rural Hawaiian enclave. Think of the San Fernando Valley in California to see what happened to a once rural area. DOT engineers have honed their traffic planning skills in Honolulu. What a success that is!
More cars moving faster has generally failed as a solution in any other location you can name. More lanes simply engenders more cars. Better egress on and off Hwy 130 is immediately needed though.
A secondary route thru Puna Makai is desirable for a number of reasons. In an emergency, volcanic or a simple traffic accident, Hwy 130 would be blocked as the only means of travel in (emergency vehicles) or out (commuting or evacuation).
The Puna Community Development Pland is trying to cope with this and many other growth issues. You can read up on this local effort at:
http://www.hawaiiislandplan
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Mass Transit systems.
Park and Ride.
Trolly cars stopping at major intersections.
Wow trolly cars going around the whole island what a concept. People walking to bus/ tansit stops. Exercise.
I saw people whinning about the cost of putting in a system. Not stopping at every place needed now after putting into place a
system how wonderful it is. More places are asking for the system to be put in their neighborhood. You know if you need to make several stops you can always drive but not everyday. Build it and they will ride. Portland OR a great example.
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You can see more information on the plan, and its alternatives at: http://www.hawaii-county.com/info/puna/regcircplan.htm
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