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The MKP international/Man Kind Project International has landed out there in Puna and is trying to get its claws into Kona now too, it’s already well rooted about many districts in the county.
Beware of this sicko organization/cult.
http://www.houstonpress.com/2007-10-04/n...-warriors/
http://wthrockmorton.com/mankind-project...adventure/
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,14154,14154
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ManKind_Project
They just had an open meeting in Pahoa last night at a local chiropractor’s office and are planning a weekend warrior retreat at the Girl Scouts Camp up on Saddle road in a month or so. Keep an eye out on anyone you might know who's about to be involved with this thing.
We need to drive this "organization" off the Big Island and out of Hawaii.
E ho'a'o no i pau kuhihewa.
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Are you saying they are doing something illegal or that you just don't like them?
Assume the best and ask questions.
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Thanks for the warning, Jungle Man. I'm with you on this one.
Typical cult tricks, designed to extract money from the desperate and gullible.
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As distasteful as it seems; extracting money from the gullible seems to be the American way. I was approached; Their pitch was no more fantastic than a lot of religions I know of.
Having gone through warrior training courtesy of Uncle Sam, I wasn't afraid.
I said; "no thanks". [8D]
A more dangerous group are the people that want to put you in a "Who's Who" for $600.
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ew..Wierd....You'd have to be a real MO to fall for this...
One Thing I can always be sure of is that things will never go as expected.
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Rob,
As a "nonprofit organization" claiming education as its premise for its tax shelter and ability to avoid special licensing while fully engaging in ambush psychological and physical shock practices without licensed therapists and or immediate medical staff onsite... you tell me? Are they a United States military basic training facility such as - MCRD San Diego/Paris Island? Holding men against their will naked stripped of identity and communication, pinning them to the ground, kidnapping, etc, etc. What's your definition of "illegal"? Better question is this… what parts of it are legal?
To answer your question to me, I’d say both.
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Well Greg,
You and I could hack it and then a whole lot more to boot beyond it. For me - over 2 months in “true warrior” training back in ’82 at MCRD San Diego plus other field training and then off to combat. Only 28 out of the 80 inductees of our platoon graduated and joined the fleet.
For you and me, true, such a weekend would be pure pansy play and we’d probably flip it and have the staff on the ground crying like women within a few minutes.
On the other hand Greg… Imagine our legitimate training without medical staffing and allowing the drill instructors to solely follow by a cue card with no other legitimate rank structure or support.
Ambushing civilian’s fresh off the street with no full clear outline on the "training" divulged to them and not establishing appropriate staffing appropriate for the "experience"… That’s simply irresponsible while also lacking integrity and honor. Evidently these whackos missed the class on Manhood 101.
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Wao,
It is your topic, not mine. I didn't see much to get concerned about in the links you provided. Different strokes for different folks. I certainly didn't notice anything about being "held against their will". "Held against their will" can lead to kidnapping or false imprisonment charges. Are we going to read about this in the Tribune tomorrow? And you are giving us a heads up?
It may not be your cup of tea or mine but why are you making a complaint about it and not one of your alleged victims?
I mean I have heard various people make similar complaints about the Boy Scouts, Transcendental Meditation, unions, political parties.... there always seems to be someone on the outside condemning others activities.
I just don't get it. So a question occurs to me.... Do you want to impose your point of view on them or are you afraid they will impose their point of view on you? Or is it something completely different? You say "we" should run them off the island and the state. Yipes! These guys really got under your skin.
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Rob,
You expressed - "I certainly didn't notice anything about being "held against their will"."
From the first link I provided.
Scinto expresses to the Sheriff - ""He told me that if I left," wrote Scinto, "I would be causing harm to the other participants. I told him that I did not care. I told him to get my stuff so that I could leave. He said that if I left they would kill...(I was) convinced that if I ran they would catch me. At this point I feared for my life.""
It appears you missed that part Rob.
Aside from this citation there are others and the group has already been to court on several occasions and settled out of court in the cited case. Scintos death has not been solved. No print on the gun next to him and the same applies to several other new MKP members who were found dead.
I think what your missing here Rob is this... the type of "training" they are engaged in is both psychological and physical shock very similar to what was practiced at Abu Ghraib prison. The psychological aspects involved are not comparative to Boy Scout training and drawing that comparative is ludicrous had you truly read the content in the links.
After reading your reply to me about this, I've got to wonder, comparing a heads up about the MKP to complaints about the Boy Scouts (Are you serious Rob?)... Are you involved with the MKP; I ask that because your reply certainly sounds fishy.
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Come on Jungle Man, no need to get paranoid. I thought the same as Rob until I read your links.
A quote:
"What it boils down to," says Rick Ross, head of the Rick A. Ross Institute of New Jersey, which studies cults, groups and movements, "is that they are doing group therapy, although they won't admit to that, and they are not qualified to do group therapy. They are not licensed and they are not accountable."
They're skating on the edge of the law. Is it illegal? Depends how far they push it. Same tactics as the Scientologists. They're not illegal either, but they've ruined lots of lives. People can do what they want as long as it stays legal, but on the other hand people should be warned about these predatory tactics. I don't intend to drive anyone off the island, but buyer beware. If you're approached, know it's a cult using well-honed psychological tricks to separate you from your money.
