06-03-2015, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by reni:
If followed properly, Laws statutes, rules, policies provide us with a set of "blue prints", establishing our framework and a "road map" to help us navigate in a functional manner. They are there to uphold and in so doing makes the board's job easier.
That's what the conduct policy is for. I reiterate, our bylaws, personnel handbook, RR's 11th edition and HRS Chapter 414D Hawaii Nonprofit Corporation Act were it's references.
Do our Board members even comprehend this? If so, then how are we left to describe some of their actions which are blatantly not in compliance?
I think some do understand and are blatantly breaking them because there appears to be no accountability. They've been in office almost a year now and it seems every time we turn around, there's another bylaw broken. I think not wanting to relinquish power after wearing 2 hats way beyond the 6 mo time period is going on..the lines are blurred even for the ofc girl who thinks the VP is still the one to contact about HPP biz.
Most violations I've observed seem to be along the lines of willful misconduct and gross misconduct as outlined in the glossary of terms in our conduct policy, and conflict of interest as outlined in our bylaws.
One board member blurts things out that confirms she still doesn't know our bylaws. Another continued on as VP even though she had been deposed. If we want to go w/that the VP was deposed illegally, then Ruth isn't President either.
I think we are constantly subjected to good intentions spurred on by ignorance which leads to "OMG, we've made a terrible mistake! Now we all need to work to cover it up (if you're on my side)and continuously justify our original wrongdoing ! This of course just compounds the original problem!
I agree that there's some of that going on but then it gets compounded w/more broken bylaws. When you think it can't get worse, it does. That's why we have a giant bowl of convoluted spaghetti. You have to choose your battles bc there have been many violations.
Why do our Board members not see this? How do we get out? Ignorance is not justification.
I think Janet had a good idea, say "point of order" at board meetings when we "recognize" they are breaking bylaws. Lots of members don't know their bylaws. That's part of the problem. You have to know them to recognize what bylaw is being broken.
One knowing member stood up at our last mtg. That's why the mtg got shut down. They lost their quorum of 5 when a board member left in the middle of the meeting. The Pres was reminded the quorum was lost and she still thought they could proceed. She assumed all business was pau and all they'd be doing is listening to committee reports. The member stood her ground. That's what it takes at every meeting when you see wrong doing going on. Key is to handle it in a civil manner.
Reni, an attorney was consulted as I stated already when the last amendments of the bylaws were done in 2008-2009. That is what will be done again this time around. The whole bylaws will be reviewed.
If followed properly, Laws statutes, rules, policies provide us with a set of "blue prints", establishing our framework and a "road map" to help us navigate in a functional manner. They are there to uphold and in so doing makes the board's job easier.
That's what the conduct policy is for. I reiterate, our bylaws, personnel handbook, RR's 11th edition and HRS Chapter 414D Hawaii Nonprofit Corporation Act were it's references.
Do our Board members even comprehend this? If so, then how are we left to describe some of their actions which are blatantly not in compliance?
I think some do understand and are blatantly breaking them because there appears to be no accountability. They've been in office almost a year now and it seems every time we turn around, there's another bylaw broken. I think not wanting to relinquish power after wearing 2 hats way beyond the 6 mo time period is going on..the lines are blurred even for the ofc girl who thinks the VP is still the one to contact about HPP biz.
Most violations I've observed seem to be along the lines of willful misconduct and gross misconduct as outlined in the glossary of terms in our conduct policy, and conflict of interest as outlined in our bylaws.
One board member blurts things out that confirms she still doesn't know our bylaws. Another continued on as VP even though she had been deposed. If we want to go w/that the VP was deposed illegally, then Ruth isn't President either.
I think we are constantly subjected to good intentions spurred on by ignorance which leads to "OMG, we've made a terrible mistake! Now we all need to work to cover it up (if you're on my side)and continuously justify our original wrongdoing ! This of course just compounds the original problem!
I agree that there's some of that going on but then it gets compounded w/more broken bylaws. When you think it can't get worse, it does. That's why we have a giant bowl of convoluted spaghetti. You have to choose your battles bc there have been many violations.
Why do our Board members not see this? How do we get out? Ignorance is not justification.
I think Janet had a good idea, say "point of order" at board meetings when we "recognize" they are breaking bylaws. Lots of members don't know their bylaws. That's part of the problem. You have to know them to recognize what bylaw is being broken.
One knowing member stood up at our last mtg. That's why the mtg got shut down. They lost their quorum of 5 when a board member left in the middle of the meeting. The Pres was reminded the quorum was lost and she still thought they could proceed. She assumed all business was pau and all they'd be doing is listening to committee reports. The member stood her ground. That's what it takes at every meeting when you see wrong doing going on. Key is to handle it in a civil manner.
Reni, an attorney was consulted as I stated already when the last amendments of the bylaws were done in 2008-2009. That is what will be done again this time around. The whole bylaws will be reviewed.