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07-22-2014, 06:13 PM
quote:rainyjim - you missed the point. I don't care if you want to drive an itty-bitty car and have no AC in your house, cause that is your business. But don't tell me I can't have AC or an SUV or other things because of some philosophy you have. That is a lack of tolerance, isn't it?
07-22-2014, 06:51 PM
Yeah. And don't give me any grief about having 29 kids and 154 grands either, y'hear?
07-23-2014, 03:16 AM
Not forcing my opinions on anyone. Just a statement of fact. Sometimes the truth hurts.
life is short. enjoy it
life is short. enjoy it
07-23-2014, 03:38 AM
don't tell me I can't have AC or an SUV or other things because of some philosophy you have
Individual criticism may be construed as a "lack of tolerance" but this is a red herring. The root problem with "American Style" consumption is that all costs are directly or indirectly subsidized by failure to properly account for externalities. Example: gas should actually cost $15-20/gallon. The difference is made up with tax breaks for the oil companies, waivers on the pollution they produce, massive publicly-funded occupation of oil-rich countries, and a subsidized redirection of food crops to ethanol production. End result: individuals don't have to care too much about their fuel economy, and there's little incentive to upgrade -- very little ROI to be had by trading in 15mpg for 30mpg, and no market demand for higher efficiency. 
07-23-2014, 03:59 AM
quote:leilanidude - You didn't buy a car without first consulting Punaweb did you? Big mistake. If you had, clearly there would be a 100% consensus as to what type and model is the penultimate best. Low gas mileage vs hybrid vs all electric (because you have to take HELCO into account). Also, people who earn enough money to buy luxuries such as a car larger than a cardboard refrigerator shipping box probably pay taxes, which as an earlier poster pointed out go to provide housing vouchers to lower income residents, who then cannot understand what is causing their monthly electric bill to be $300 (to evil monopoly HELCO, because if they weren't a monopoly we could have 3 or 4 separate sets of power lines on the side of our roads and have some choice and competition). So they run up another $300 electric bill, and another, until HELCO finally cuts off the power. Because you have to be pretty far behind in payments before a power utility hits the off switch. So people who pay taxes are in fact doubling down on their wanton destruction of the rainforest, coral reefs, and the dwindling habitat of the endangered Internet and Electric Grid Connected Luddite (IEGCL) who knows where to draw the line on what is in fact destroying the planet.
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
07-23-2014, 04:48 AM
We need to write the PUC, the Gov., and the Federal entities that will be able to help break this monopoly. Our community is one that is suffering the most from the cost of electricity.
HEI is in trouble right now, and I would never "kick a dog when it's down", however, this "rabid dog" needs to be kicked out of Hawai'i. We need a true "public utility". One that is owned by the people. JMO. If you want a totally separate public utility, owned by the people, make photovoltaic systems mandatory for income above poverty level, and use surplus to distribute to those that are below poverty level in the surplus users produce. Distribution would be by using HELCO power lines after seceding from them and buying existing equipment. Would have to add in the factor of a substation somewhere to regulate the power through the grid system as well. Would be a private, self sustaining community at that point, and a green one at that. Federal rebates from each installed system would finance the buyout, so to speak. Just another crazy idea. Community begins with Aloha |
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