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Gas Prices Sound Off?
#71
oink, if a person needs the vehicle, they need the vehicle. But if we truly want to decrease our dependence on foreign oil, the people need to speak up. Here are some interesting items I discovered.

The same US vehicle exported for use in Europe averages a 30% increase in fuel economy with only an initial $250 technology upgrade. It's not even offered to US consumers but is used in fleet vehicles when the customer demands better gas mileage. Why?

The over-the-road truck manufactures have been able to vastly improve MPG of their vehicles when the operators demanded it. If the same technological improvements were applied to passenger vehicles, the average MPG would be 42. This technology is available but has not been offered to passenger vehicles. Why?

GE has applied available technology to their locomotives and can now haul a loaded 100 car train over 100 miles using less oil than a passenger vehicle driving those same 100 miles. Why?

When taxi fleets started using lease arraignments and driver had to pick up the cost of fuel, many fleets could not lease out their inefficient vehicles. So they demanded better gas mileage. Many taxis with all the heavy-duty upgrades still get better gas mileage versus the same non-taxi version sold to consumers. Why?

For decades school buses were some of the worst fuel economy vehicles manufactured. School district purchased because they had to purchase. Manufactures saw no need to change because they had a lock. A few years back two of the heavy-duty truck manufacture entered the field, bringing their fuel economy technology. Schools now had fuel-efficient buses available with little additional cost. Now with demand for fuel-efficient buses all school buses manufactures seemingly overnight had 25% or more fuel economy improvements. Why?

Why? The answer is simple. We don't care about how much gas we use. We only care about the cost of the fuel, not the amount. If gasoline dropped to $1.00 a gallon, do you really think people will care about hybrids and MPG? Heck no they will buy a car even if it only gets 10 miles per gallon because it's the price of the gas that really dictates our concern.

When we stop caring about the cost of the gas and start caring about the amount of gas we use, will we really see a change. But so long as we as a whole couldn’t care one rat’s *ss about how much oil we are actually consuming, we are getting from the manufactures what we deserve. Tax gasoline at $5.00 a gallon and you’ll see F-250’s getting 32+-mpg city by end of year!
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#72
So what do we do? Does the water solution work? Could we sue(class action) for withholding technology! We're suing Gore for fraud, we'll see how that works!

If that water to Hydrogen application works, I haven't heard of it, It would be a profitable conversion for an enterpreuner! I'll believe it when I see it (or it's verified).
Gordon J Tilley
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#73
Check out Toyota's Clean Power Deisel, new concept. Appearantly there are numerous small p/u s with deisel power.

Gordon J Tilley
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#74
Can you sue? Of course. Will it matter? Nope.
Northing says companies have to use technology. Nothing says they even have to let people know it's available. The only thing they have to do is produce products you will buy. If they can make a car that gets 38 mpg, but choose to manufacture one that gets only 25 mpg and save manufacturing cost of $100 per vehicle, if people are still buying it, that's the American way.

As for H2O, it's available. You often see this as favorite projects in the WrenchHead/Geek science consortium at schools. Build vehicles that use solar electricity to break hydrogen from water. Its long-term commercial viability is questionable. It's one thing to build a project AFV, and it's completely different to get it commercially viable.

Bio-fuels are still the most promising for immediate use. There are three things holding back mass use of bio-fuels.
1. Farmers are still paid more not to plant than to plant. Why plant a product that returns $X an acre when the government will pay you $X2 an acre not to grow anything?
2. Distribution. The numbers of stations are increasing but are still stifling because of the lack of customers.
3. The number of customers is low because of the lack of stations.

As you see #2 feeds off # 3, which feeds off #2. Break that and the issue is solved. FYI, if it was mandated that all vehicles must be capable of using bio-fuel or blends by 2009, it will happen. You will hear the usual grumbling from the manufactures but they all have it available right now. All they need is a mandate to do it.
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