Agreed about the confusion, some may get the homeless and crime part confused too. Most I see hanging in and around that bank area may not be homeless?. The homeless themselves fear that area of town as well. The homeless situation is somewhat hidden in our community for the reasons of thugs in town, wilderness, and coastlines. With Santa coming to town soon maybe we as the community along with the current business owners would like to clean Pahoa's main street of TRASH?. And be armed with Kids and paint brushes. Where does Pahoa put there giant Christmas tree? When does all the lights and Christmas decorations go up in town? Why is there a lack of spirit here for such holidays?. Do you think its the palm tree's, The weather, The drugs, poverty, I Guess there are probably many different factors. I just know there has to be some nice small towns across America who still believe in -----, Pahoa could use some believing. It would be nice to set up all the lights and graffiti, tree, ect. AS bait and spirit to catch the grinches of the holidays on new cameras as well?. This may start a fresh new year!!!!. JMO.
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"Facts are" that crime & poverty are linked. Inextricably, race gets tied to this due to the dynamic of power & privilege. People of color = not generally born into innate privilege like most Caucasian Americans = lower economic status = higher crime rates. We are still living in a caste system, essentially. I'm sorry, but this is a big, big trigger for me: I work with a large Hispanic population in the public schools, and I am sick and tired of seeing people make sweeping generalizations. I am tired of seeing the dynamic of people being treated differently, albeit in subtle ways, from day 1 based on their socioeconomic status and their color.
To me, it is mentally lazy to link race and crime as you did in a cavalier manner. Simple statements like that perpetuate stereotypes. I think it is important to be careful with words. You can't take them back.
But getting involved in internet bickering and finger-pointing is self-righteous and not living aloha. So I'm sorry for lashing out but again, I also feel it's my duty to speak up, however obnoxious it may appear.
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Oh jeeze, another SRA!
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
No worries.
I cant say I live in a particularly "poverty" filled neighborhood because I don't. I live in a working class neighborhood where both parents work to pay the bills. Very few, if any, luxury cars, and most houses are 3 bed and 1,300 SQFT or less. Its mostly Hispanic and Black.
There is no crime or violence and everyone is generally friendly.
The point I am trying to make is, it seems from what I gather on this forum, is that even the working class neighborhoods are crime filled in HI.
Maybe that statement is wrong, IDK, I don't live there yet..
So the question is, why ? Why does the crime leak out from the poor to working class so much ?
Maybe because crime leaks from the rich down to the poor, and there really is not much of a working class anymore. Thieves are within our politicians, county, and state employees. Even the police here take from the poor community, drive there fancy fleets to flag traffic or play golf. Here in Puna, when the poor reach that desperation mode they also turn to crime. This is a vicious cycle, for the poorer the state keeps its people here, the more crime should escalate. Then in turn is more reasons for more police, who then should have more poor people committing crimes of desperation. This is what I call the ALOHA trickle effect that starts at the top and trickles down. The real crime here in this state STARTED when Gods children started going hungry and were forced out of there homes and into their streets. P.S. For an example, How is our local Kimura family doing?
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There is much more integration of different economic classes in Puna than you find on the mainland. Recently I saw 3 homes listed that were all within eyesight of one another here in HPP, one was $112,000, one was $255,000, and one was $855,000. On the mainland those three houses would rarely all be in the same subdivision, much less right across the street from one another. When we were shopping for a house we quickly learned that one road could be really sketchy and the next road over had a completely different feel to it.
Puna doesn't really have "poor" neighborhoods, "working class" neighborhoods, or "upper class" neighborhoods, we just have these huge partly built out diverse subdivisions with limited police presence, so crime happens anywhere. I feel safe in my neighborhood, but we also have fences, gates and dogs, and one of us keeps a pretty irregular schedule so nobody could watch to see when no one will be home. We lived all over Puna before we bought and it was about the same everywhere in terms of crime.
Carol
Carol
Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb
South Florida is not too different. I originally grew up in CT, and there you would have to drive to a whole different town to go from rich to poverty. Here in South Florida, you can have a multi-mill houses on one street and turn the corner and be ghetto.
From what Ive been told, usually, a gate or dog or any combo of the two is enough to fend most criminals, and that most crime is what would be considered "petty crime". Domestic disputes, petty burglaries, etc.. Do you agree ?
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My brother lives in south Florida and his neighborhood is that kind of mix, he said the big real estate crash really brought his neighborhood down. When he moved into his house 30 years ago it was a brand new middle class to upper middle class neighborhood in North Naples, with some expensive places down by the ocean. Now it is about 1/3 empty foreclosed on houses, 1/3 cheap rentals and 1/3 homeowners hoping things pick back up.
Here in Puna lately there have been some home invasions, including the recent one where the victim fended off her attacker with a can of pork and beans, and burglaries are not uncommon, but most of the violent crime recently seems to involve people who knew each other. During the building boom a few years ago people who were building were camping out at their building site to keep from having all the expensive stuff like appliances, windows, cabinets, and pumps stolen overnight. People who had truckloads of new furniture delivered to their new island home before they got here were arriving to find everything stolen too, but I haven't heard of as much of that lately since the wave of immigrants from the mainland has slowed down. A lot of empty houses have been stripped, but some of that has been done by the people being foreclosed on.
When you are on island you can go to the Pahoa police station and they can tell you what neighborhoods are the "hot spots" for crime right now. An older female friend of ours did that before she bought her house, and she said they were really helpful when she went in there in person, but they weren't helpful on the phone. At that time, about 10 years ago, Nanawale had better crime stats than Hawaiian Beaches, but that may have changed and both subdivisions have good and bad areas within them.
Carol
Carol
Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb
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Originally posted by csgray
My brother lives in south Florida and his neighborhood is that kind of mix, he said the big real estate crash really brought his neighborhood down. When he moved into his house 30 years ago it was a brand new middle class to upper middle class neighborhood in North Naples, with some expensive places down by the ocean. Now it is about 1/3 empty foreclosed on houses, 1/3 cheap rentals and 1/3 homeowners hoping things pick back up.
Here in Puna lately there have been some home invasions, including the recent one where the victim fended off her attacker with a can of pork and beans, and burglaries are not uncommon, but most of the violent crime recently seems to involve people who knew each other. During the building boom a few years ago people who were building were camping out at their building site to keep from having all the expensive stuff like appliances, windows, cabinets, and pumps stolen overnight. People who had truckloads of new furniture delivered to their new island home before they got here were arriving to find everything stolen too, but I haven't heard of as much of that lately since the wave of immigrants from the mainland has slowed down. A lot of empty houses have been stripped, but some of that has been done by the people being foreclosed on.
When you are on island you can go to the Pahoa police station and they can tell you what neighborhoods are the "hot spots" for crime right now. An older female friend of ours did that before she bought her house, and she said they were really helpful when she went in there in person, but they weren't helpful on the phone. At that time, about 10 years ago, Nanawale had better crime stats than Hawaiian Beaches, but that may have changed and both subdivisions have good and bad areas within them.
Carol
Thank you, this is one of the more helpful insights Ive been told !
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Lmao, I haven't had this much fun since the hogs ate my little brother...
Half of those Craig's list jobs are scams, 2k
Oh this is good... Lol.
I wish your hogs ate my brother.
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