government beach road complaints dec 2013

[unknownjulie]

Sun, keep posting. We need some diversity here.

[Wao nahele kane]

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Originally posted by Sun


You simply don't know much about the area if you think this way. It isn't going to get paved, it has been put out for debate before, the county showed up with equipment but when they saw the oppostion they beat feet out and later claimed confusion. To say that a great king of Hawaii who loved his land would have used pavement if he had access to it points to your lack of knowledge about the island. Waa Waa won't become your short cut at the cost of the mango trees and the great history down here. Now run along to your paved subdivision and enjoy.

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Evidently you're not much up on reality and have clearly missed the fact of the several thousand new feet of new pavement they laid down recently throughout the road (With no collective protests). Thus the road has already been partially paved recently clearly invalidating your fallacy statement that it will never be paved... it already has been. So as you incoherently yammer on about your rich knowledge and understanding, I'd say it time for you to run along and troll elsewhere. There's a large difference between reality and your fantasy world.

- Armed citizens provide security of a free State.

[peteadams]

"then Helco is granted an easement and comes along and tosses up high tensions power lines on that approved type of roadway."

Seems highly unlikely, don't hold your breath. The Ka'ohe Homesteads are about 2.5 miles from the poles at the Pahoa schools and about 2 miles from the PGV lines that run along Cemetery Road. There's never been even a hint that Helco has any interest whatsoever in "tossing up" power lines in the many decades of the Homesteads existence.

When the county did the marvelous two lane paving job on part of the Ka'ohe Homesteads Road, there was speculation that the RCC had done some back room encouragement for the larger roadway in order to support development of their 1100+ acre parcel that the Homesteads road passes through. But even with the obvious financial incentives for development (and, one supposes, financial need on the RCC's part) nothing has ever come of it. Even if Government Road is eventually paved, rural electrification is likely not in the cards for it either.

[Guest]

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It seems the idea of some, not by any means all, of the people who want the road paved is to make the Agricultural District look like a rich little suburb and paving the road is one step to getting there. This is agricultural land and it should remain affordable to small farmers.

You somehow made the choice to live off of a dirt road, maybe you have not considered the reasons most other people made this choice. Not only is the Government Beach Road an historic roadway that takes one back to the feeling of what Hawai‘i was once like, it is unique, it is relaxed, it causes one to breath a sigh of relief when coming back from town, and makes one slow down and appreciate what is still here. One of the many travelers who wrote about the beauty and significance of this road was King Kalakaua in the late 1800's. He traveled down this road and called the area a small historic district, thankfully, so far it still pretty much is. It has Hawaiian cultural significance and current cultural importance as well. We once had a meeting regarding the preservation of the Beach Road that a friend who was a planner was invited to. The first question she asked was "Where do you talk to your neighbors most?" We all chimed in, "The Beach Road". Why? Because you can stop and pull over and talk to people in cars, on horses, on bikes, people walking, people walking dogs, people running. It is a safe multi use road which is remarkable in this day and age. I don't know if you have noticed but dirt roads have a kind of humanizing effect in that people wave to even strangers as they pass, not so on busy paved roads. So sorry you cannot seem to appreciate one of the few places left like this and don't seem to be able to live with a few bumps for a few months on one very small section of your commute in order to keep it this way.

You seem to have really picked the wrong place to live. There were so many other places you could have chosen that would have been right for you. Why don't you consider moving to a place where you can be happy and that is more convenient for you instead of trying to make this unique place like everywhere else?

Sherry Palmer

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Seems like about every couple of years public works has a meeting and every time the results are about the same, 80 some percent do not want the road paved.
It is a County road.
The County currently maintains the road twice a year.
This is a very safe road as the natural speed bumps keep the speed down.
Ambulances and police have never had a problem coming here.

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Well said Sherry!!! Thank you!!!! We love the road the way it is. Someone posting here actually commented that the king would have paved the road...what a joker. For those worried about dirt on your cars...move to Kona.

[Wao nahele kane]

Nearly 1/4 of the Beach road has recently been paved from Honolulu landing to just outside the Southern border of Waa Waa. If you like gravel roads, move to Orchidland.

- Armed citizens provide security of a free State.

[kalakoa]

I have no problem with the pavement or lack thereof; my issue is with County's arbitrary designation (and funding). Can't pave this road because it's private/nonstandard, won't touch that other road because it's not "official County", but will fix potholes in a Limbo road despite codes which make that activity technically illegal?

Puna is just a bunch of people doing whatever they want.

[Wao nahele kane]

Perhaps someone would like to dig up the most current road inventory list from the County Public Works Department. Within you'll see Old Government Beach road listed on its inventory. Though it may appear in a nearly 4 year old "roads in limbo" list on the County website, that doesn't make it a "road in limbo". The road was adopted 3 years ago by the County 1 year after the most recent limbo list update so its factually been adopted as is evident by the recent major paving, widening, 1 week of hammer leveling and now regular bi yearly maintenance schedule.


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[Wao nahele kane]

The public works department claimed they work the road 4 times a year. 2 re-grades a year and 2 pot hole fills between the re-grades. That's the rub. They don't do the pot hole fills. Like now for example, there are pavement approaches that are now breaking apart because they have failed to fill pot holes since the last re-grade. It's this period now, that is angering many people between the potholes and encroaching cane grass over the roadway. If the county were to come in this time of year and fill the pot holes, compact them and mow back the cane grass... the yearly complaints would decrease substantially.

I would like to point out this fact from the road meeting 2 years ago. When the question was posed "How many people would like to leave the road as is with no maintenance?" only one hand went up and it was one of the more eccentric residents (most people at the meeting should recall who that was) LOL.


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[Guest]

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Originally posted by Wao nahele kane

Nearly 1/4 of the Beach road has recently been paved from Honolulu landing to just outside the Southern border of Waa Waa. If you like gravel roads, move to Orchidland.

- Armed citizens provide security of a free State.

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I'm talking Waa Waa, 1/4 of the road isn't the entire thing. If you want to sell your roach house just tell potential buyers that the road will be paved for them. Because it is just so "inevitable".

[Obie]

Sun
On July 11th you posted this

"I was born in Waikiki, the reason I am moving to Puna is to get away from the city with it's loud tourists, traffic and skyscraper super resorts."

You sure have learned a lot about the area including it's history in a very short time.

Have you really moved there or are you sill doing your trolling from Waikiki ?