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Highway patrol in Puna?
#41
Back in my days on the street, when someone would mention quotas I would always reply, “Well, we USED to have quotas. But now I am allowed to write as many tickets as I want.”

But in all seriousness, the term quota implies a hard set threshold of productivity which must be met. Modern police departments - in this case including HPD as modern – don’t use quotas. A term which is used is metrics. Metrics are not a set threshold, rather a comparison of one’s productivity against the average. And it is not a single statistic; it is the totality of the circumstances. One Officer may be great at sniffing out DUIs, while another may be best at finding the dope. The metrics comparison looks to your overall productivity. One big felony case may be considered worth 50 traffic offenses, due to the disparity in time and resources to work each. They key item is that you do not drop too far below the average.

As far as the Rangers being able to make traffic stops outside of the park: it is within their authority to make the stop, and call the county out to scratch out the cite. It would not be common, however, it is allowed. This would be reserved for the most egregious of traffic offences, which constitute an immediate threat to public safety, like a DUI. I spent time as a fed, and only ever took direct action on a local matter once. And that was for a man flourishing a gun in a restaurant.

On the topic of identifying intoxicated drivers at night, it is easier than in the day. There is less traffic, and the percentage of drivers who are intoxicate is much higher. NHTSA has a guide that will help an Officer determine the statistical likelihood that a driver is intoxicated. Some of these indicators, such as driving without headlamps, or failing to dim high beams, are only present after dark. http://www.nhtsa.gov/staticfiles/nti/pdf/808677.pdf

And, yes, the best time to fish for drunks is at about closing time. However, it should be noted that the NHTSA guide specifically cites randomly stopping motorists as a very ineffective way to catching intoxicated drivers. “The probability of detecting DWI by random traffic enforcement stops at night has been found to be about 3 percent (.03)
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#42
Tomk, sorry for starting a thread regarding our highway and the overkill of police at 1:00 in the morning on a Monday night. The police had drivers out numbered this evening and seemed very intimidating pulling out behind drivers going 35 through that construction zone. The guy who got pulled over just behind me was only going 35 and he was followed for about a half mile before the police lights came on. The problem I saw was the yellow lines painted during this stretch of road are psychedelic looking with so sense of what is strait. The cop who pulled him over was sitting with another cop just after the transfer station until we drove by. So why follow and intimidate other drivers in this section of roadway when its already difficult with cones and wavy lines. Tomk this is not bu-- sh-- unless you are referring to the amount of police who were waiting for the quota to drive by.
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#43
law enforcement class Rangers really are Federal Police

Considering that County refuses to count highway fatalities that occur "in a National Park", it would seem they're just fine with letting the rangers issue tickets too.
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#44
Ok thank you every one for clarifying the miss used word quota,perhaps average is better or metric is better.
It happens more than is known.
The training of new recruits in traffic enforcement is also partially federally funded,and the squeeze point at Humane Society transfer station is as good as it gets.
If you see them again and are sober and 100 percent legal,pull over behind them and talk story and see what they are up to.Always be polite and thank them for a job well done.Who knows,you could learn a thing or two and also have a new friend for life.
On a side note.the Border Patrol has jurisdiction over all roads in the entire state as they have 100 mile zone they patrol from state lines inland.
A good article on this is can be read at :

aclu.org/100mile


There are 11 states where the Border Patrol covers the entire state and 5 states where their law enforcement reach covers 90 percent of the state.

They have broad powers,more than park rangers or local PD .

The Border Patrol has the authority to establish a check point any where in the 100 mile zone 24/7/365.

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#45
just because there were more cops than cars when you drove by doesn't mean the situation didn't change 2 minutes later.
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#46
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Originally posted by gypsy69

...So why follow and intimidate other drivers...


Because they saw something. You may not have, but they did. Their goal is not to intimidate. They may find the fact tat it happens funny as hell, but it is not their goal. I don't know a cop out there who is willing to take enforcement action without cause. That is a one way ticket to a Title 42 Section 1983 claim. Such a case can ruin your entire life; often even if it is proven to be false.

I know there are bad cops out there. I devoted my career to taking them out of the system. I was quite successful at it too. But on the whole, they are either good guys, or they are WAY crooked. And those guys are not interested in shaking down drivers.
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#47
It is privilege to drive - Not a right .
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#48
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Originally posted by TomK

Kathy wrote:

"One of my sons was commuting from Hilo to HOVE for a while for a construction project, and he noted the federal police were always in place in stealth mode at points where drivers were prone to exceed that 45 mph stretch that was downhill all the way going Ka'u. He saw people pulled over regularly."

I'm still really confused by many of the comments in this thread.

Federal police? I've never seen federal police here and am not even sure what they look like or who they are. Please enlighten me.
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Hate to say it, but I think one or two people on this thread are exaggerating things (not you, Oink).
Tom, I am very sorry if my comments have confused you. I had to go back over the topic to see how we got to any suggestion of federal police on Hwy 130, because I would never suggest that.

What happened is that the discussion turned to possibly over-zealous policing, at which point JohnDW commented that IF CofC becomes the route in and out INSTEAD of 130, that it will be Federal police who may be even stricter, passing through VNP.

My comment directly after his was merely to say that we already do have federal traffic enforcement on an area of Hwy 11, so we have something to go by as to how they handle it already.

Then you said you didn't know of any federal police here and wished to be enlightened (I assume that meant on island rather than on 130). That's the only reason I explained further about it.

No feds on 130. Feds will be monitoring drivers if CoC Road is opened, only within VNP boundaries.

I have nothing to add about 130 stops by police, no personal experience with being stopped in Puna, and hope to keep it that way.

You are one of my favorite posters Tom, so as I said I am sorry that the comment puzzled you and hope it is clear now where the topic of federal police came in (from JohnDW).

Kathy
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#49
Thank you mimosa for the good advice. I like you have never been pulled over let alone got a ticket in over 20 years of driving here on the big isle. Thankfully I gave up drinking a decade ago for quality family time. Pahoa back in the days of being the wild wild east use to have two policeman on duty at all times and one probably had to man the station. Kind of felt like the dukes of hazards kind of rural country.
Now there are so many cops at the pahoa station it looks and feels like a gang or mafia. I know they got all that money, drugs cars, and feel like they are pimping with their bling bling. Really though do we need a dozen on duty now at $60,000 a year with another dozen off duty getting paid $ 60,000 a year? That is over a million a year being spent before we get to the vehicles and gas that help keep our demand for fuel higher in these trying times. Where does all this revenue come from?. How many of the DuIs this year out of the 800 island wide come from Puna?
Sat at longs parking lot for less than one hour and saw plenty open alcohol beverages being enjoyed behind the wheel on two of them. Usually they have some kind of brown paper bag over it but if you look or smell then you can usually tell. My point is you could catch more drunks and drug addicted people waiting outside their nearest pharmacy, passing time drinking until the fix comes in. Our highway is very dangerous already without the added intimidation or pressure from the extra good ole boys in blue.
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#50
I seriously lack the initiative required to try and straighten out all of the misconceptions represented in that last post.

Pua`a
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Pua`a
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