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Big Island Circus Fined $50,000 by DLNR
Kalakoa,

While what you mention does little to vindicate GE et al, it certainly sets his alleged activities within the context of the greater criminal community. As Kathy points out, your comments definitely deserve a thread of their own. It's well known that the criminal mind tends to exploit crises -- real or contrived.
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sets his alleged activities within the context of the greater criminal community

I maintain that many people are driven to extremes due to the lack of services.
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Originally posted by snorkle

It's funny how some people take sativa's word as unbiased and gospel. I'd prefer to hear the more rational explanation before making a judgement.

As far as bringing Tiffany into it (don't forget Russell too); Anything coming from Sativa's mouth or keyboard is going to be motivated by her one obsession; Her jealously discrediting the works of Graham, Russell, or Tiffany. Collectively, her obsession negates any credibility she has because it indicates an unhealthy mental state. Rather than trying to achieve something on her own; which can be difficult and problematic; she chooses the easier route of picking away at the attempts of three specific community leaders.

More simply put; I don't believe you Sativa, but Kathy does.
More trash talking from snorkle, more non-answer to a direct question about how this Food Bank escapade would be a good deed.

Sativa wasn't talking about Tiffany here, you were. Don't pretend otherwise.

OK, so say you don't accept Sativa's version of the facts about the food donations. Hypothetically then, would it be a good deed for non Seaview residents to go solicit food donated as charity for hurricane victims under the name of the Seaview subdivision? And second, would there in your mind be an obligation to actually distribute the food fairly to the residents of Seaview or not?

Hypothetically. No belief in the truth of the hypothetical or the source is required. I simply want to know what your sense of ethics is like, because what I hear from you at the moment is you would lump this into the good deeds box?

Or is that stealing is OK if you balance it out with other acts that are good? Is that how Puna ethics stack up?

I know numerous people in my neighborhood who work tirelessly for the community, and I KNOW they would never take Food Bank supplies and use them as they were not intended. Never. Nor would they rationalize any such act by bringing up other community contributions. Ever.

My friend Donna, even though she is President of a community non-profit that has some limited funds in it that could cover refreshments, she goes out and buys refreshments for community meetings out of her own pocket instead, and she never even takes any credit for it! I also buy food out of my own pocket for community meetings (but not as much as Donna, who feeds the whole room).

Any funds that come from the non-profit are very carefully accounted for. We do not get food from the Food Bank, but if we did, we would be conscientious about where it went.

There is NO WAY we would get food for a subdivision and not notify the president of the HOA. That would not happen. So you bet I am shocked. [:0]

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Uh...I'm not quite sure how to respond to that. I think you may have a point; but, who are the "many people" you're referring to, what exactly are the "extremes" they are "driven to", and which "services" are they lacking ? I can tell you that because my wife and I lacked all sorts of services we were driven to the extremes of educating ourselves, finding work and paying our bills. As for how other people handled that situation I can't say. I guess we are the saps who decided to take the high road.
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Sativa... you are to be commended. Many will cry foul when the spankings are handed out... but the Truth is, somebody needs to stand up for what is right and call attention to these misdeeds and misguided spirits. It's like, (hypothetically speaking) when a middle aged man has a little scrap with a younger punk at a Saturday morning picnic. Sure... 200 people will be traumatized for life... but did they ever stop to think that maybe that older gentleman might have had a valid reason? What you've done, Sativa, is not nearly as violent as the hypothetical situation I just described. You are above board, fair and play by the rules. And deadly effective. Smile Keep up the good work.

Now... back to the Sea of Cortez, fresh ceviche and a few Pacificos. Smile

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Andele pues y vaya con dios !
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To JohnDW: Si gracias, carnal. Y tu tambien! Smile

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Originally posted by KathyH

All of which belongs in its own topic, kalakoa. If you want to discuss that, start a topic and stop hijacking this one. This topic is about VGS and HVC and Graham Ellis.

Kathy


Actually, this topic is the fine by DLNR. Anything else is also a hijacking.

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You just went back 12 days in time simply to take issue with my post?

Check it out:
http://www.punaweb.org/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19960

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Actually it was the page that was still open on that particular tab.

I take issue with your (or anyone else's) hypocrisy in declaring what is or isn't acceptable for a thread (started by someone else, no less) and then ignoring your own declaration.

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