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Ericlp, from what I constantly see from your posts on here I really doubt you have any Hawaiian friends.
I can at least take one positive from this unending stream of effluence...
At times like these people really show their true 'colors'.
Interesting to see who is a biggot and can't wait to see how this all turns out.
After the TMT is constructed and local NIMBYS have moved on to the next focus do you plan on still using punaweb and communicating with all of us Haoles who you've constantly disparaged? Just curious if you've given any thought to the future and any repercussions.
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As an agnostic, I don't believe anyone that claims to know what the gods want. That's why *I* ask questions to dissect the logic of various belief systems. Rest assured I do it to my Christian, Jewish, and Muslim mainland friends as well. That is one of the things I love about America (even though there is a lot to hate lately) that people of all races and religions can come together on equal ground and debate and discuss things without fear or threat of violence...
That's why I support the Menehune Kingdom, and think everyone else should leave the islands. They were here first, the rest of us can go back to the US, Japan, the Philippines, Tahiti, etc. 
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Here is a brief cultural history of the summit.
Some have asked what the problems with this development would be. So how about asking about the benefits.
Millions of dollars at stake... Who benefits? How many jobs and how much training for local residents? How many science scholarships for at risk Hawaiian youth? What about Astronomy programs for Hawaiians and other at risk demographics? How many Hawaiians are employed at the observatories, and where are they in the hierarchy of jobs?
Who is profiting from this development?
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Had to erase my last post due to emotion taking over. Breathe....
Born&Raised Hawai'i Island
ETA: now snorkel those are the best questions I've ever seen concerning TMT.
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Who benefits?
When someone first realized the world was not flat, no one benefited, until someone else also realized they wouldn't sail off the edge of the earth.
When another person discovered the earth revolved around the sun who benefited? Certainly not Galileo. He was treated as a pariah for telling the truth. But later on that knowledge has made a difference to humanity.
Sir Isaac Newton and gravity? He didn't make his fortune off that discovery, but it certainly has had applications for all of us in the present day.
What will the TMT discover? Only time will tell. As an example, what if it detects an asteroid far out in the solar system heading toward earth, for a direct hit on the Hawaiian Islands? Because it's capable of finding the most distant objects it also gives us (with help from Bruce Willis) enough time to work out a plan to nudge the asteroid away from earth's orbit.
Then we can continue to fight another day, examining the day to day minutiae of who's right and who's wrong about this little thing and that little thing...
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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Many agree with all you are saying about discovery, but don't agree on the location. That's the issue. Enough is enough.
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Originally posted by Southernmost
Here's a song by Ryan Hiroka, a fellow parent at our keikis school and Keala Kawaauhau my sons basketball coach at Kamehameha School.
Dedicated to Eric Lp, punatick007, punamauka2, lavalava, chunkyster, Lee M S, HOTPE, rainyjim, Rob L, PaulW,
Leilanidude, MarkP, Obie won kanobi and any else that thinks like these waha's.
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Nice,the bigot is now reduced to name calling.I don't recall attacking you personally or resorting to name calling.I was merely trying to point out that a lot of modern Hawaiians are conveniently ignoring the bits of their history that don't fit in with their modern viewpoints.
In ancient times the king would have stoned you to death.
I get it that I will always be an effing Haole to the likes of you but where is your Aloha.You should try practice what you preach.
At this point I am withdrawing my approval and support for the TMT.The 1 million per year that would benefit the Hawaii island keiki is probably better suited to educate the children in Chile.
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Obie won kanobi is bad ass! Ever watch Star Wars? 
One thing to add, usually people who are always citing racism and bigotry,
are actually the real racists and bigots.
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ETA: Obie forgot this when quoting my post:
http://youtu.be/S4qQ0uhQbSg
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Originally posted by Southernmost
Obie won kanobi is bad ass! Ever watch Star Wars?
One thing to add, usually people who are always citing racism and bigotry,
are actually the real racists and bigots.
Born&Raised Hawai'i Island
ETA: Obie forgot this when quoting my post:
Left it out on purpose.
I have nothing but respect for my many Hawaiian friends and nothing but disdain for the scumbags like you.
No racism or bigotry involved.
I just don't like scumbags !!
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Speaking of bigotry; And why white people get their panties in such a bunch discussing race;
Here's an interesting article about race relations.
excerpt;
And white fragility also comes from a deep sense of entitlement. Think about it like this: from the time I opened my eyes, I have been told that as a white person, I am superior to people of color. There’s never been a space in which I have not been receiving that message. From what hospital I was allowed to be born in, to how my mother was treated by the staff, to who owned the hospital, to who cleaned the rooms and took out the garbage. We are born into a racial hierarchy, and every interaction with media and culture confirms it—our sense that, at a fundamental level, we are superior.
And, the thing is, it feels good. Even though it contradicts our most basic principles and values. So we know it, but we can never admit it. It creates this kind of dangerous internal stew that gets enacted externally in our interactions with people of color, and is crazy-making for people of color. We have set the world up to preserve that internal sense of superiority and also resist challenges to it. All while denying that anything is going on and insisting that race is meaningless to us.
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