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I think the most important question will be what will happen when all the money, jobs etc...etc... disappears along with the telescopes.
The question of "how are they going to continue" getting up there is a valid question. Who will maintains the road? A unmaintained road won't last long and I doubt the county will have any money or want to maintain that road, heck they don't have the funds to maintain the roads they got!
I think once the technology pulls out, the people will wonder what the hell happened.... Getting it back won't be so easy.
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what will happen when all the money, jobs etc...etc... disappears
The rest of the island will experience the famous Puna Lifestyle, hopefully it will go over well.
I doubt the county will have any money or want to maintain that road
Discussion won't even get that far: the road is across State land, County will invoke the usual "not our responsibility".
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Mahalo, Mr. Tucker. My vote is YES! A resounding "YES". It already exists (in part), and all should participate in the "protection" of the entire mauna (let us hope more attention is paid to that aspect in the near future). The "protectors" should be held to their commitment, and this could be a part of the same.
The challenge today is the TMT contracts and permits did not include "cultural sites for worship" in the UH deal, as other leases provide. An addendum would quickly take care of that. IT is part of the discussion (the addendum for "cultural practice") this week, is my understanding. Much like the Volcano National Park, kanaka maoli are allowed "cultural practice".
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Technology won't pull out. Technology for the common people will become less available. There are millionaires that are in the technology field that are totally insulated from street level life. They are backing various developments with the idea that it would improve quality of life for citizens of the island. TMT permit gets revoked, all the private financing will go toward a space telescope that will be more powerful than the James Webb. All bioengineering research is banned, the research facilities will be built in China, along with all the benefits, the pharmacy building goes to Oahu.
These protectors are demanding they be returned to a serf class to serve a monarchy. Since all labor assisting technology will gradually disappear, there will be more need for indentured labor servants. Once the medical care goes, the retired will leave, needing good health care facilities. Once the retirees live, the real estate agents will start disappearing because most of the house buying is being done by retirees. Mob rule is great, it gives the mob what they demand.
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Technology for the common people will become less available.
Like this?
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/news...de-planned
The network, which is not available to the general public ... upgrades will boost the capacity ... 40 gigabits per second to 100
They'll need this capacity for TMT, right?
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For argument sake, kalakoa is into interesting territory as to discussion (speaking of cable, etc.).
I will only add, perhaps the military is indeed part of TMT, and other telescopes, not only Pohakuloa (and the "bunkers" allegedly being assembled on the slopes of Hualalai). It would make sense.
National/International security is part of all "permits" issued, and consideration at the State/Federal level. (A tad O/T, thus, apologies.)
What's one more "eye in the sky" with Hawaiians having their own "cultural site" to enhance the effort?
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ETA: Added thought.
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Sorry, Opihikao, I don't understand your last post. I think Rob's idea is an excellent one, but I don't get your military aspect. None of the observatories on Mauna Kea are connected to the military, none carry out research that's related to the military, and the same will be true for the TMT. I'm not sure what you are trying to imply. Am I just missing your point?
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There are at least two military observatories on Haleakala. The are both high security & dedicated facilities, that is they do not share operations or time with university researchers. I don't know for certain, but I would doubt very much the military would share resources on Mauna Kea with any of the observatories here.
The Haleakala facilities have bank vault, double entrance doors ( you enter, the door behind you locks, the one in front of you remains locked until you've cleared security), and armed guards at the desk. Tom probably knows if there is anything like that on a Mauna Kea.
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quote:
Originally posted by TomK
Sorry, Opihikao, I don't understand your last post. I think Rob's idea is an excellent one, but I don't get your military aspect. None of the observatories on Mauna Kea are connected to the military, none carry out research that's related to the military, and the same will be true for the TMT. I'm not sure what you are trying to imply. Am I just missing your point?
No, Sir (not missing the point). It is the manner in which I wrote, which eluded to the potential military involvement. My fault; e kala mai.
Apologies for the insinuation, however, it's been around for a while (10-12 years). The current "rumor", (don't like rumors, yet, some rumors tend to have truth to them in some shape or form eventually) is the Federal involvement in the TMT, and the funding via international entities. With what the TMT can provide our nation is not just science, but a myriad of opportunity for the USA and other countries as to security.
The military has obviously been a great presence in Pohakuloa. The involvement of the military is a necessity, and a welcome part of our Hawai'i (my opinion only). IF (big, fat, word for two letters) the military presence is part of the concern for the Federal/State entities, what better place to gain total control over! The "jewel" of the Pacific; all of it.
As to this subject, it is a wonderful idea which lends to "balance". I would hope the protectors/protestors will accept this kind of offer for their own "observatory" (who knows, maybe it's part of the discussions). Hold them to their own convictions, in a different way, given their stance.
Apologies for perhaps a cryptic post, just don't have links to show as we discuss. My opinion is the military needs to be, and is always, involved in anything done near this area (in total).
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