Pointless thread

[Kenney]

How much did we spend on the Interisland Ferry fiasco? Same results. Cart before the horse syndrome coupled with"complete and utter incompetence."

[Aaron S]

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Originally posted by dakine
As far as the initial gist of this thread, TMT getting back on track, yeah right. It's not. Either the TMT folks need to reapply for a permit, and if so where's the application? Or, if their application is still valid and all that's been nullified is the Contested Case Hearing, how come DLNR has not scheduled another hearing? TMT is dead in the water, floundering, nowhere near back on track just because our illustrious "leader" says something about wishing it was.

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The Hawaii Supreme Court has remanded the CDUP lawsuit to the Third Circuit Court. The Third Circuit Court has to provide direction to the BLNR as to what the next steps are. That hasn't happened yet, although the Court is going to schedule a status hearing to provide that direction.

The BLNR is also seeking qualified attorneys to apply to be a hearing officer for the anticipated upcoming TMT CDUP contested case hearing. The last date to apply is February 9th.

[pahoated]

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Originally posted by Kenney

How much did we spend on the Interisland Ferry fiasco? Same results. Cart before the horse syndrome coupled with"complete and utter incompetence."

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Again, Super Ferry was PRIVATE. The company went bankrupt. Why does this myth keep persisting that the state of Hawaii was responsible for Super Ferry? The state involvement was Republican governor Lingle allowed EIS (environmental impact statement) waivers. On appeal, these EIS waivers were found to be invalid, and the company had to start over. During this time, the protesters were able to discontinue service to Kauai, then to Maui. When Super Ferry started, oil was $25 per barrel, by the time it went bankrupt, oil was $100 per barrel, something the investors never factored in. The epilogue to the Super Ferry fiasco was the US Navy bought both Super Ferrys and turned them into HSV (bailing out the company plus providing more contracts to Austral, the builder). The US Navy has now found out the aluminum catamaran hulls don't hold up to open ocean conditions. That is costing the taxpayer hundreds of millions right now.
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"Aloha also means goodbye. Aloha!"

[Guest]

This Harvard Astronomy professor wrote an interesting piece regarding The TMT'S complexed hawaiian situation.

http://sacredmaunakea.com/2015/12/12/mah...lculation/

[dakine]

Talking civil disobedience..

From today's Trib:

Six more TMT protesters acquitted

A district court judge acquitted an additional six Thirty Meter Telescope opponents of obstruction charges after defendants argued their actions prevented a greater harm from occurring.

According to court minutes, the defendants told Judge Barbara Takase that standing in the way of construction vehicles heading to the TMT construction site below Mauna Kea’s summit last year was the only way to prevent “desecration” of a mountain they consider sacred.

The judge, after finding protest leader Kahookahi Kanuha not guilty a month ago, agreed with their arguments during bench trials Jan. 22 in Waimea and found that prosecutors could not disprove the “choice of evil defenses.”

The full story is here: http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/news...-acquitted

amen!

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

prosecutors could not disprove the “choice of evil defenses.”

It's a similar argument that's used when someone claims they did not intend to defraud their victim. They may have broken the law, but unless it can be proven they acted intentionally, they are not found guilty.

"How we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives." -Annie Dillard

[kalakoa]

On Friday, the state Department of Land and Natural Resources issued a legal notice announcing it was looking to hire a new hearings officer if another contested case hearing is held.

Translation: another year's delay for the State hiring process.

[beejee]

Link below mentions TMT as well as two other large telescopes in the same class.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithab...41dfb46899

[Aaron S]

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Originally posted by dakine

Talking civil disobedience..

From today's Trib:Six more TMT protesters acquitted

[i]A district court judge acquitted an additional six Thirty Meter Telescope opponents of obstruction charges after defendants argued their actions prevented a greater harm from occurring.

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This particular judge has no backbone, and ability to enforce the law. The protesters were obviously breaking the law by blocking a publicly accessible roadway. I suspect she was probably afraid she could be charged with a "war crime."

[Aaron S]

http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/news...land-board

A judge on Thursday cleared the way for a new round of hearings by the state Board of Land and Natural Resources on the proposed Thirty Meter Telescope near the summit of Mauna Kea.