TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo

[kalakoa]

The President of KAHEA is Kealoha Pisciotta. She ran yesterday for Hawaii 3rd District State House

I sure hope her campaign doesn't share an address with KAHEA, appearance of impropriety and all that jazz.

[Eric1600]

Richard Wurdeman never really quit the case, but rather excused himself so the number of cross-examinations per petitioner was increased dramatically. However Amano's 30 minute limit per cross-examination sort of squashed the incessant badgering with unrelated issues and emotional attacks. I think this is a sign that Wurdeman realizes they are loosing so he's started to appeal immediately.

I am a bit relieved that Kealoha wasn't able to use the TMT issue as a stepping stone into public politics too.

[Guest]

Interesting article here explaining some new developments in the case. Some are already claiming Due process rights violations during this BLNR contested case hearing and that judge Amano should be disqualified for being bias in her rulings thus far.

http://bigislandnow.com/2016/11/14/tmt-p...rt-appeal/

Maybe They should just start over or let this go to the supreme court already. The NEW 30 minute cross examination time limits wouldn't have had to be applied by judge Amano if this contested case hearing process was allowed to happen before the TMT permits were issued by the BLNR in the first place.

[kalakoa]

NEW 30 minute cross examination time limits wouldn't have had to be applied

If the protectors had a legal team and/or kept their questions relevant...

[Guest]

This Mr Wally Ishibashi was knocking down burial stones from the summit of Mauna Kea with no written report, he tries to explain Why here.

http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2016/1...ess-stand/

Mr Wally Ishibashi was in charge of Hawaiian culture on the summit of Mauna Kea, Is he really the best Hawaiian choice for this position?

[VancouverIslander]

What are you talking about "knocking down burial stones from the summit of Mauna Kea"? No mention of any such thing in your link. Are you perhaps referring to makeshift Ahu placed recently by protesters?

Me ka ha`aha`a,
Mike

[Guest]

Disrespectful period, those upright stones and locations should have been protected atop Mauna Kea's summit. Many Hawaiian burials were done in secrecy over the years so maybe instead of just knocking down the upright stones, Wally should have noted and protected them instead. He may have to explain these harsh stone removal methods to the DLNR again. jmo

http://www.coffeetimes.com/feb98.htm

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

stones and locations should have been protected atop Mauna Kea's summit.

Many Protectors have insisted the ground and stones on the mountain should not be disturbed from their natural state, and boulders on the Mauna should remain in the location where nature placed them. Perhaps Wally in his role as administrator felt this movement of rocks were disrespectful, a man made desecration, a disturbance of the original, natural placement of the mauna's resources.

“There is a crack in everything, that’s how the light gets in.” Leonard Cohen

[MarkP]

I have enjoyed reading about mountain climbing. Mountains are generated by monstrous geologic forces that take place over a geologic time frame of hundreds of thousands or millions of years. We're talking earthquakes and land slides on a scale that can and have killed thousands of people. Such events still do kill mountain climbers who are clambering around on the most unstable features of the earth, mountains. I forget the individual I am about to quote or where I read it but I think it was in "Into Thin Air" by Jon Krakauer but one climbing instructor was known to admonish his students that "geologic time includes now" as a way to remind them not to needlessly hang out under precariously teetering boulders and the like which might have stood for 100,000 years but which still might fall at any time.

Why do "traditional Hawaiian cultural practices" not uniformly include now? In Mr Ishibashi I saw a Native Hawaiian practicing his culture. Every culture has rules. Sometimes the application of such rules is imperfect but if you think that there weren't people equivalent to him 500 years ago then you are being very selective in your view of history.

What goes around comes around. Mr Ishibashi is a Native Hawaiian who was living his life and doing his job as he saw fit, keeping things moving forward and basically adhering to a code of reasonableness. No permit after 30 days? Well whoever tipped that rock up must not care that much then or must know that their application is unlikely to meet the required criteria of the prevailing culture. Just like in the old days although back then the "permit process" was undoubtedly much more "streamlined".

[kalakoa]

Many Protectors have insisted the ground and stones on the mountain should not be disturbed from their natural state

Yet these same "protectors" dislodge countless stones every time they drive their cars up the unpaved access road -- and that's before they move larger rocks into the road to impede passage.

I guess their movement has "something for everyone".