Can't make a point so just derail your own thread. ^^^ HOTPE
Two giant drunk guys above happened less than a month ago and oh HELL YEAH i was wondering what was gonna happen. Police arrived just in time.
Better hold that golf/bat club tight and have ninja precision BC you only gonna get one shot at (too) close before your they on top of you.
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Based on available knowledge I have no idea if the homeowner was justified in shooting. Interestingly, at least to me, I've responded to more calls than I can remember involving drunks coming home to the wrong house. None were shot but we had an excellent response time for those areas where those calls occurred. Of course if you lived in BFE it could be a good thirty minutes response time. But those calls were all in residential areas with smaller lots in town.
IIRC all of the calls also involved Hispanic immigrants (yeah, mostly undocumented) as either the resident or the drunk but usually both. Very few of the residents had guns (Gangs weren't really an issue at the time) so shootings were unlikely. However, in a few cases the drunk got a serious beat down if they managed to get inside prior to our arrival. The point being that many of the drunks were very persistent and didn't respond to the demands of the residents to go away. They generally proceeded to break into the residences believing the lock was defective or they were being wrongly locked out. They would often break a window or try to bash the door down and succeed a fair number of times. But this was an area where public very drunken behavior, especially on weekends, was very common, actually normal.
In an area not desensitized to such behavior I can see the residents having a very different reaction. I expect if my wife was home alone, especially when our kids were small, and she thought some crazy person was in the process of bashing through the front door, there would probably be a column of .33 caliber pellets passing through the door to meet him. Would I have done that? No, but my experiences are a bit different from average.
I feel for the victim and his survivors in the Hawaii incident. It's very sad. However, the victim has to assume most of the responsibility for getting so shltfaced without a keeper looking after him.
Again, I don't know the details and it could very well be that in this case the resident shot prematurely and unnecessarily, but maybe not??? The resident may have had very valid reasons for feeling in fear for his life and his family.
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HotPE and PaulW, I don't disagree with you that statistically a home invasion is unlikely for most. But those statistics are cold comfort for those whose families *are* threatened. You have at least two cases in this thread where people were nearly assaulted and feared for their lives in rural Puna. What is your answer for them, when confronted with an armed assailant, and the cops are half an hour away?
I also recently met a Puna resident that was raped in her home in Eden Rock, and another that was assaulted by rippers on a nearby property in HA. These things do happen here, and people should be able to protect themselves!
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In both cases the police arrived on time, so what exactly is your point? Adding household guns to the mix would not have helped.
While people think they are "protecting themselves", in reality they are putting themselves and their families at more risk than they would be without a gun. Which is their choice, obviously, but it impacts the rest of us when these guns get stolen, which happens way too often.
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"Yes, I know. Not the .0000000001% of the time when the power goes out."
The wireless units all use batteries for the sensors, and the bases that plug into the wall have a battery back up that lasts for several days. But like smoke detectors, they only work if the batteries are installed. They do communicate when they are low before they fail.
"Local thieves are not concerned about your Alarm system"
If our alarm goes off, my phone alerts me within a few seconds and one of our neighbors will check it out if he is home. Sure, it's not going to stop somebody from grabbing what they can and fleeing (nothing will) but nobody is going to be able to back up a U-haul and clean me out either. (I'm one of those boring people that seldom travel far from home). If my alarm system is triggered it means every other security measure before it (gates/fences/dogs/neighbors/etc) has been circumvented. That would be indicative of somebody following a plan, simply too much effort for grabbing a TV or whatever. If that is the case, they probably have a plan to circumvent the alarm system as well. That's why I have insurance.
"more Americans have been killed by guns in the last 50 years than in all of the wars the US has ever been involved in"
The majority of gun deaths in the USA are suicides. Many of those lives would still have been lost if there was no gun available. Sadly, many of those suicides were by people who survived combat in the same wars you mention.
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I am torn. Proper use of a weapon is really no different than proper use of any other tool like a car. That being said cars are used improperly (sometimes as a weapon) with shocking regularity. We tolerate it because of how close to home it hits. We don't like to contemplate losing the right to drive ourselves and we are desensitized to how much mayhem occurs on the roads. In contrast aircraft are vilified to a ridiculous degree because so few people fly.
Yes guns should be denied to a good many people but realistically that's not going to happen while we still let crazy people drive drunk.
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Two giant drunk guys above happened less than a month ago and oh HELL YEAH
Sometimes I wonder about the things you post.
I have no problem believing this in fact took place. I'd have no trouble rationally accepting that it might even occur on a regular basis.
Portion of Hawaii’s drinking water that comes from underground wells : 9/10
Gallons of raw sewage that leak into the ground from Hawaii cesspools each day : 53,000,000 - Harper's Index
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"Many of those lives would still have been lost if there was no gun available. "
Not true, in any meaningful sense. More guns = more suicides. But the gun industry does not care.
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But the gun industry does not care.
Other industries that don't care include: oil, tobacco, pharma, sugar, alcohol.
Guns just get better media coverage ... because guns.
